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This right here is one of software's biggest problem. Businesses have the hubris of designing their own custom UIs for everything, deeply tainted with their br

This right here is one of software's biggest problem. Businesses have the hubris of designing their own custom UIs for everything, deeply tainted with their branding, and they all end up reinventing the wheel because standard solutions aren't compatible with their designs. It's time to dissociate software from branding, so we can free 90% of developers and have them do something useful for once.

amelius 9y ago
> It's time to dissociate software from branding, so we can free 90% of developers and have them do something useful for once. And how should we do that? Isn't that what CSS tried to do (but failed)? Perhaps we should invent a different title for programmers that do relatively simple work, like writing CSS and perhaps some easy javascript. That way, the real programmers can more easily say "that's not in my job description".
- miguelrochefort 9y ago
  I don't want software to be branded at all. I want all apps to look and behave the same, to the point where they're all just one app. Nobody asked for their shopping experience to be different when shopping on Amazon vs eBay vs Craigslist. I see no compelling reason to have different UI for services that are essentially identical.
  - felipeko 9y ago
    So, who gets to decide what it all look like? The broswer vendor? W3C? What if one browser does something others won't, and you can't do it custom, how do you get around it? Wouldn't that put us back to IE6 web? What if your site really needs something browsers don't have? Will we have sites telling us to install a plugin and put us back to Flash era?
    - miguelrochefort 9y ago
      Every browser will be opinionated and render things differently. Custom things will be done through a canvas, but that should only be used in last resort.
      - amelius 9y ago
        Ok, but you can already do that. Or do you want to enforce it somehow?
        miguelrochefort 9y ago
        We first need data to be distributed in a way that preserves semantics (i.e., not HTML).

amelius 9y ago

> It's time to dissociate software from branding, so we can free 90% of developers and have them do something useful for once. And how should we do that? Isn't that what CSS tried to do (but failed)? Perhaps we should invent a different title for programmers that do relatively simple work, like writing CSS and perhaps some easy javascript. That way, the real programmers can more easily say "that's not in my job description".

miguelrochefort 9y ago
I don't want software to be branded at all. I want all apps to look and behave the same, to the point where they're all just one app. Nobody asked for their shopping experience to be different when shopping on Amazon vs eBay vs Craigslist. I see no compelling reason to have different UI for services that are essentially identical.
- felipeko 9y ago
  So, who gets to decide what it all look like? The broswer vendor? W3C? What if one browser does something others won't, and you can't do it custom, how do you get around it? Wouldn't that put us back to IE6 web? What if your site really needs something browsers don't have? Will we have sites telling us to install a plugin and put us back to Flash era?
  - miguelrochefort 9y ago
    Every browser will be opinionated and render things differently. Custom things will be done through a canvas, but that should only be used in last resort.
    - amelius 9y ago
      Ok, but you can already do that. Or do you want to enforce it somehow?
      - miguelrochefort 9y ago
        We first need data to be distributed in a way that preserves semantics (i.e., not HTML).