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And, to underline, we have a lot more than 2-3 misogynist trolls in these parts. Reflexive rich-white-dude defensiveness is perhaps HN's greatest challenge.

astura 9y ago
Hopefully they are just trolls, trolls just post comments that are inflammatory to get people riled up, not because they actually mean what they post. If they actually are misogynistic and think they their contributions are reasonable and welcome, that's a different problem.
pbhjpbhj 9y ago
And you long for the day when it's your particular brand of racism and sexism that wins? Seriously, can you stop with the "white men are all racist and sexist and are priveleged so my racism and sexism towards them doesn't count", please. Do you not think your sort of attitude contributes heavily; that is, some people shouldn't be allowed to comment because of their race/sex.
- KekDemaga 9y ago
  >And you long for the day when it's your particular brand of racism and sexism that wins? Beautifully put, the solution to sexism isn't more sexism.
  - dang 9y ago
    We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, trollish usernames are trolling: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20username%20troll https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      Sorry, I don't see how this acocunt violated the guidelines, or how the username is trollish. Can you clarify?
      - timthelion 9y ago
        I think that dang was simply reacting to "Any user name with the word Kek in it is a troll." Kek is a word used almost solely by extreme right, sexist, racist trolls (in that order, more likely to be extremely sexist than racist). http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cult-of-kek http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cult-of-kek
        deleted 9y ago
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      - dang 9y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15467478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15467478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15044224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15044224 We eventually ban accounts that ignore our requests to follow the site guidelines. Inflammatory usernames catalyze that.
        Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        Gotcha. For the record, "kek" is a term that has been appropriated by trolls, but is not in and of itself a troll term. In the future, you should think twice about banning someone on that merit. The links you gave are better evidence, though, thanks!
        pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        The links are a little snarky, not terribly helpful, but not especially out there. If you're banning that then banning those making racist remarks like up-thread seems right. Personally I wouldn't ban either.
        9y ago
- eropple 9y ago
  > white men are all racist and sexist and are priveleged We are; living in a racist and sexist society leaves its imprint and even the best-intentioned of us have racist and sexist baggage that we need to consciously and continually fight against. I'm sorry that that upsets you so. It exists, and it is real, and it is true, and that it upsets you does not change that it exists, and that it is real, and that it is true. But for real: it's not that white men "can't comment." It's that white men have a listening problem in aggregate and that perhaps people who are not white men have perspectives that are deserving of being heard. Even if it means that you--and I--should give up our precious, precious megaphones for a sec. Accepting and working on being mindful and decent does require effort. And it does mean that the "Kek de MAGA"s (how very subtle) of the world won't cheer you on. Somehow, though, those of us who give it an honest try seem to do alright without them.
brad_chad 9y ago
Comments like this are as bad as the comments by misogynist trolls. They're just coming from an equal (measured by inflammation) but opposite ideology.
yodsanklai 9y ago
Maybe because I'm a "white dude" myself, but I find the propagation of racial stereotypes quite offensive.

astura 9y ago

Hopefully they are just trolls, trolls just post comments that are inflammatory to get people riled up, not because they actually mean what they post. If they actually are misogynistic and think they their contributions are reasonable and welcome, that's a different problem.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

And you long for the day when it's your particular brand of racism and sexism that wins? Seriously, can you stop with the "white men are all racist and sexist and are priveleged so my racism and sexism towards them doesn't count", please. Do you not think your sort of attitude contributes heavily; that is, some people shouldn't be allowed to comment because of their race/sex.

KekDemaga 9y ago
>And you long for the day when it's your particular brand of racism and sexism that wins? Beautifully put, the solution to sexism isn't more sexism.
- dang 9y ago
  We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, trollish usernames are trolling: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20username%20troll https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    Sorry, I don't see how this acocunt violated the guidelines, or how the username is trollish. Can you clarify?
    - timthelion 9y ago
      I think that dang was simply reacting to "Any user name with the word Kek in it is a troll." Kek is a word used almost solely by extreme right, sexist, racist trolls (in that order, more likely to be extremely sexist than racist). http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cult-of-kek http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cult-of-kek
      - deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]
    - dang 9y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15467478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15467478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15044224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15044224 We eventually ban accounts that ignore our requests to follow the site guidelines. Inflammatory usernames catalyze that.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        Gotcha. For the record, "kek" is a term that has been appropriated by trolls, but is not in and of itself a troll term. In the future, you should think twice about banning someone on that merit. The links you gave are better evidence, though, thanks!
        pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        The links are a little snarky, not terribly helpful, but not especially out there. If you're banning that then banning those making racist remarks like up-thread seems right. Personally I wouldn't ban either.
      - 9y ago
eropple 9y ago
> white men are all racist and sexist and are priveleged We are; living in a racist and sexist society leaves its imprint and even the best-intentioned of us have racist and sexist baggage that we need to consciously and continually fight against. I'm sorry that that upsets you so. It exists, and it is real, and it is true, and that it upsets you does not change that it exists, and that it is real, and that it is true. But for real: it's not that white men "can't comment." It's that white men have a listening problem in aggregate and that perhaps people who are not white men have perspectives that are deserving of being heard. Even if it means that you--and I--should give up our precious, precious megaphones for a sec. Accepting and working on being mindful and decent does require effort. And it does mean that the "Kek de MAGA"s (how very subtle) of the world won't cheer you on. Somehow, though, those of us who give it an honest try seem to do alright without them.

brad_chad 9y ago

Comments like this are as bad as the comments by misogynist trolls. They're just coming from an equal (measured by inflammation) but opposite ideology.

yodsanklai 9y ago

Maybe because I'm a "white dude" myself, but I find the propagation of racial stereotypes quite offensive.