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In addition to both sites correctly showing my full name, phone number, mailing address, and e-mail address, (and the Danal site showing my T-mobile phone plan

In addition to both sites correctly showing my full name, phone number, mailing address, and e-mail address, (and the Danal site showing my T-mobile phone plan info) the Payfone site shows this ominous description: https://i.imgur.com/WkPj5Gb.png https://i.imgur.com/WkPj5Gb.png I've had someone tell me they visited a shopping site once and without giving the company any information, they got an e-mail from that company a day later. I told them it wasn't really possible (from just the browser's perspective) and that they must have been tracked through some 3rd party cookies. Apparently that was false and it's totally possible for a site to use one of these APIs and instantly get your full name, phone number, e-mail address, and physical address just by looking up your IP, and then track you across "switching carriers, changing phone numbers, upgrading devices, and replacing lost devices". Scary shit.

chinathrow 9y ago
I really hope that the EU slashes these companies once its 2018.
- pilsetnieks 9y ago
  Shit like that is blatantly illegal under current EU laws already
davb 9y ago
> I've had someone tell me they visited a shopping site once and without giving the company any information, they got an e-mail from that company a day later. I had this once from a Cisco reseller in Glasgow. It looked like they done a reverse DNS lookup on our office IP, then a Whois on the domain and just spammed the crap out of me. They started calling a day or two later. When I told them how creepy and inappropriate it was, they actually seemed proud of the lead gen system they subscribed to. They emailed the admin contact of the domain, which is what tipped me off.
- philip1209 9y ago
  Clearbit sells a basic IP lookup system like this
ino 9y ago
MEO does that in Portugal. With your phone you visit (probably) an ad on a website and you're automatically subscribed to some 3rd party service that charges 3€ a week from your mobile operator credit. Then you call MEO to cancel the service and then you learn they're not refunding your money and that instead of this 1€ call you could have disabled the 3rd party services through their web login. It's incredibly hostile, and there are more dirty tricks they use.
- whataretensors 9y ago
  Yikes, a chargeback would have to hit your phone carrier directly. Did you try calling your phone carrier? No way this is legal.
  - ino 9y ago
    MEO is the phone carrier. They're the largest one in Portugal, previously called TMN. They're the ones I called. I can't edit to make my post clearer. I'm also not their customer anymore.
- That-one-thing 9y ago
  Do you have any source for this that I could look at?
  - ino 9y ago
    I've found some reddit threads (in Portuguese): https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4hj1l7/servico_de_assinatura_activado_por_visitar_website/ https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4hj1l7/servico_de... https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4nchbc/subscrição_de_serviços_por_sms_vindos_do_nada/ https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4nchbc/subscrição... This is not new. TMN/MEO subscription shit has been going on for more than 10 years, but before widespread mobile internet it looked more like a SMS fishing attempt to get you subscribed.
    - JetSpiegel 9y ago

chinathrow 9y ago

I really hope that the EU slashes these companies once its 2018.

pilsetnieks 9y ago
Shit like that is blatantly illegal under current EU laws already

davb 9y ago

> I've had someone tell me they visited a shopping site once and without giving the company any information, they got an e-mail from that company a day later. I had this once from a Cisco reseller in Glasgow. It looked like they done a reverse DNS lookup on our office IP, then a Whois on the domain and just spammed the crap out of me. They started calling a day or two later. When I told them how creepy and inappropriate it was, they actually seemed proud of the lead gen system they subscribed to. They emailed the admin contact of the domain, which is what tipped me off.

philip1209 9y ago
Clearbit sells a basic IP lookup system like this

ino 9y ago

MEO does that in Portugal. With your phone you visit (probably) an ad on a website and you're automatically subscribed to some 3rd party service that charges 3€ a week from your mobile operator credit. Then you call MEO to cancel the service and then you learn they're not refunding your money and that instead of this 1€ call you could have disabled the 3rd party services through their web login. It's incredibly hostile, and there are more dirty tricks they use.

whataretensors 9y ago
Yikes, a chargeback would have to hit your phone carrier directly. Did you try calling your phone carrier? No way this is legal.
- ino 9y ago
  MEO is the phone carrier. They're the largest one in Portugal, previously called TMN. They're the ones I called. I can't edit to make my post clearer. I'm also not their customer anymore.
That-one-thing 9y ago
Do you have any source for this that I could look at?
- ino 9y ago
  I've found some reddit threads (in Portuguese): https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4hj1l7/servico_de_assinatura_activado_por_visitar_website/ https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4hj1l7/servico_de... https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4nchbc/subscrição_de_serviços_por_sms_vindos_do_nada/ https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/4nchbc/subscrição... This is not new. TMN/MEO subscription shit has been going on for more than 10 years, but before widespread mobile internet it looked more like a SMS fishing attempt to get you subscribed.
  - JetSpiegel 9y ago