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I'd say 0, since eyeballing the list almost none of them seem to be B2B type products. This is by far the most pervasive comment on HN regarding Google ("Oh, t

by shakil 9y ago

I'd say 0, since eyeballing the list almost none of them seem to be B2B type products. This is by far the most pervasive comment on HN regarding Google ("Oh, they launched something, don't use it because they will retire it soon. Look what happened to Reader!"). Its also completely misleading when applied to Google Cloud Platform which has been around for almost 9 years now without deprecating any service. Disclaimer: I work for Google Cloud Platform

FooHentai 9y ago
>I'd say 0, since eyeballing the list almost none of them seem to be B2B type products. If moving the goalposts is allowed then fair enough, it can be any number you choose. >This is by far the most pervasive comment on HN regarding Google ("Oh, they launched something, don't use it because they will retire it soon. Look what happened to Reader!"). Yes, hello, reality calling - Google has a PR problem, as a direct result of canceling services. This PR problem is bleeding into their commercial offerings precisely because of their reliance and cultivation of grassroots, technology-minded consumer mind share. "Man, I killed all those bees but for some reason now my honey production has dropped right off. Could there be a connection???" Someone did not properly cost this into the decision to terminate those services, and it's now biting the organization. It should be.
- nindalf 9y ago
  He's not moving the goalposts. This thread is about a b2b product, which he claims are unlikely to be shut down. If you're trying to extrapolate about a b2b product from past experience about free software, you should justify that.
  - nightski 9y ago
    Specifically it is a dashboard creator b2b product. I bet the google shutdown rate on that is pretty good! Sarcasm aside, by narrowing the results the goalposts are indeed shifted.
    - SmirkingRevenge 9y ago
      Is it a shift or a correction? Google's cloud offerings are generally going to have more robust SLA's attached to them, that include various guarantees wrt. service deprecation, that probably compare with other vendors in the same space. So I do think "moving goalposts" here is probably right. Comparing Reader, Buzz or Google Code to GCP offerings probably is an apples to oranges comparison. In other words, not very useful.
- zcrar70 9y ago
  This comes across as a somewhat hysterical response to a fairly measured comment ("Yes, hello, reality calling"). That doesn't feel like the HN ethos. People working for any company should feel comfortable posting here, without feeling like they are the subject of a witch hunt imho.
  - Boothroid 9y ago
    I think your calling that response hysterical is itself a bit hysterical.
rburhum 9y ago
Google Maps Engine was B2B example, so your "0" is incorrect
- FooHentai 9y ago
  Google Search Appliances, too.
  - sitepodmatt 9y ago
    Fair point but neither of these fall under GCP, which GDS does.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      That was the point about "shifting goalposts" that was mentioned above. You can always categorize it different and claim it’s a different story now. But that won’t convince any customers.
  - lanbanger 9y ago
    And Google Site Search
    - theartfuldodger 9y ago
      Used gCSE as a primary add-on service across a few hundred sites. The twilighting of the product was a major hiccup in our business. Through Google Apps there was once a custom URL shortener service ( Google Short Links) that I used to track and shorten hundreds of affiliate links and perform a manner of A/B testing. They sunsetted that service breaking all those links ( and considerable cashflow) If you dig deep into Adwords or Doubleclick Knowledge base its fairly common to come across broken links, outdated information. Was a big fan of the Picasa product as I took the time to tag and categorize a huge library of photos which has been long since pulled into Google Photos ( a superior service, but I liked the option of local management for more private photos) I am very reliant on Google products and services and have been for about a decade. I generally expect that services will disappear, customer service will be non-existent or consist of a series of clueless email from all across the globe. Spend a half million in Adwords, Partner Agency, previously Engage partner - the staff they push on you on that side mostly seem as if they wanted different jobs and generally provide completely dense suggestions (knowledge of adwords interface but no real business acumen ) Adsense! Was once getting between $100-$400 a day in adsense results. All disappeared over night for as single event of clickfraud (likely from a competitor aiming for exactly that result). They even cancelled the last check they sent. Generally,I've found not worth adopting a G product without an easy exit option or known replacement service. Even the core search product has suffered but many wouldn't notice - many advanced operators were dropped or limited, regional selection in advanced options minimized, very precise searches made ineffective due to lack of use. Just meant to say, boy cancelling Google custom search sucked and then reminded how many otherwise Ive been screwed by my reliance.

by shakil 9y ago

FooHentai 9y ago

>I'd say 0, since eyeballing the list almost none of them seem to be B2B type products. If moving the goalposts is allowed then fair enough, it can be any number you choose. >This is by far the most pervasive comment on HN regarding Google ("Oh, they launched something, don't use it because they will retire it soon. Look what happened to Reader!"). Yes, hello, reality calling - Google has a PR problem, as a direct result of canceling services. This PR problem is bleeding into their commercial offerings precisely because of their reliance and cultivation of grassroots, technology-minded consumer mind share. "Man, I killed all those bees but for some reason now my honey production has dropped right off. Could there be a connection???" Someone did not properly cost this into the decision to terminate those services, and it's now biting the organization. It should be.

nindalf 9y ago
He's not moving the goalposts. This thread is about a b2b product, which he claims are unlikely to be shut down. If you're trying to extrapolate about a b2b product from past experience about free software, you should justify that.
- nightski 9y ago
  Specifically it is a dashboard creator b2b product. I bet the google shutdown rate on that is pretty good! Sarcasm aside, by narrowing the results the goalposts are indeed shifted.
  - SmirkingRevenge 9y ago
    Is it a shift or a correction? Google's cloud offerings are generally going to have more robust SLA's attached to them, that include various guarantees wrt. service deprecation, that probably compare with other vendors in the same space. So I do think "moving goalposts" here is probably right. Comparing Reader, Buzz or Google Code to GCP offerings probably is an apples to oranges comparison. In other words, not very useful.
zcrar70 9y ago
This comes across as a somewhat hysterical response to a fairly measured comment ("Yes, hello, reality calling"). That doesn't feel like the HN ethos. People working for any company should feel comfortable posting here, without feeling like they are the subject of a witch hunt imho.
- Boothroid 9y ago
  I think your calling that response hysterical is itself a bit hysterical.

rburhum 9y ago

Google Maps Engine was B2B example, so your "0" is incorrect

FooHentai 9y ago
Google Search Appliances, too.
- sitepodmatt 9y ago
  Fair point but neither of these fall under GCP, which GDS does.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    That was the point about "shifting goalposts" that was mentioned above. You can always categorize it different and claim it’s a different story now. But that won’t convince any customers.
- lanbanger 9y ago
  And Google Site Search
  - theartfuldodger 9y ago
    Used gCSE as a primary add-on service across a few hundred sites. The twilighting of the product was a major hiccup in our business. Through Google Apps there was once a custom URL shortener service ( Google Short Links) that I used to track and shorten hundreds of affiliate links and perform a manner of A/B testing. They sunsetted that service breaking all those links ( and considerable cashflow) If you dig deep into Adwords or Doubleclick Knowledge base its fairly common to come across broken links, outdated information. Was a big fan of the Picasa product as I took the time to tag and categorize a huge library of photos which has been long since pulled into Google Photos ( a superior service, but I liked the option of local management for more private photos) I am very reliant on Google products and services and have been for about a decade. I generally expect that services will disappear, customer service will be non-existent or consist of a series of clueless email from all across the globe. Spend a half million in Adwords, Partner Agency, previously Engage partner - the staff they push on you on that side mostly seem as if they wanted different jobs and generally provide completely dense suggestions (knowledge of adwords interface but no real business acumen ) Adsense! Was once getting between $100-$400 a day in adsense results. All disappeared over night for as single event of clickfraud (likely from a competitor aiming for exactly that result). They even cancelled the last check they sent. Generally,I've found not worth adopting a G product without an easy exit option or known replacement service. Even the core search product has suffered but many wouldn't notice - many advanced operators were dropped or limited, regional selection in advanced options minimized, very precise searches made ineffective due to lack of use. Just meant to say, boy cancelling Google custom search sucked and then reminded how many otherwise Ive been screwed by my reliance.