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Given that truck driver is the most popular job in the majority of US States, I get the feeling its going to go beyond having a political lobby. You put that m

Given that truck driver is the most popular job in the majority of US States, I get the feeling its going to go beyond having a political lobby. You put that many people out of work in one event and that's going to wreck havoc. Political lobbies are not the only way to exert power.

dredmorbius 9y ago
Truck driving is not the largest employment by major NAICS job classification. Instead you'll find that the ranking puts office & administrative, sales, and food services ahead of all transport. The final column is per-mille, not per-cent, contribution. 43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations 22026080 156.881 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations 14536530 103.537 35-0000 Food Preparation and Serving Related Occupations 12981720 92.462 53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations 9731790 69.315 51-0000 Production Occupations 9105650 64.855 25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations 8636430 61.513 29-0000 Healthcare Practitioners and Technical Occupations 8318500 59.249 47-0000 Construction and Extraction Occupations 5585420 39.782 49-0000 Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations 5456640 38.865 39-0000 Personal Care and Service Occupations 4514960 32.158 37-0000 Building and Grounds Cleaning and Maintenance Occupations 4426090 31.525 15-0000 Computer and Mathematical Occupations 4165140 29.666 31-0000 Healthcare Support Occupations 4043480 28.800 33-0000 Protective Service Occupations 3386360 24.119 17-0000 Architecture and Engineering Occupations 2499050 17.799 21-0000 Community and Social Service Occupations 2019250 14.382 27-0000 Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media Occupations 1902970 13.554 19-0000 Life, Physical, and Social Science Occupations 1152840 8.211 23-0000 Legal Occupations 1075520 7.660 45-0000 Farming, Fishing, and Forestry Occupations 463640 3.302 Source: https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm Edit: I'm perplexed by the downvotes. Care to explain yourself?
- adventured 9y ago
  I didn't downvote you. I'm guessing it's about two things. The parent said the majority of the US states. [1] The premise there is - based on the data I've seen at least - in many states trucking is the most common specialized job. Sales and office jobs are non-specific as a super category. It doesn't make a lot of sense to compare something as extremely vague and varied as "sales" to trucking. Food prep & serving, does have some claim on the most common job, although that's generally a much lower tier of work in terms of pay and upside potential (fry cook, cashier or runner at McDonald's vs making $80k a year long-haul, not very comparable skill-sets). And you didn't go any deeper on the numbers in response to large differences between states in employment (given the parent proclaimed "in the majority of US states"). For example, in some states is transportation and material moving a more common job than food prep, and which states are those? (etc etc) [1] According to NPR's Planet Money, truck driver is in fact the most common job in most states. They reach that conclusion by dumping the overly vague super categories such as sales. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-t...
  - dredmorbius 9y ago
    The detail level I provided is the "major" classification division. At "minor", trucking is only the 12th largest employment classification. There's a breakdown to fine detail (and I'm not sure what classification system is used) in which "truck driver" is the most numerous single entry, but that's almost entirely an ontological artefact: truck driving doesn't have a bunch of fine subdivisions. Contrast the employment classifications for "teacher", which has something like 50 distinct sub-categories. 1 41-2000 Retail Sales Workers 8791750 62.619 2 35-3000 Food and Beverage Serving Workers 7355090 52.387 3 43-4000 Information and Record Clerks 5630810 40.105 4 29-1000 Health Diagnosing and Treating Practitioners 5143640 36.636 5 13-1000 Business Operations Specialists 4629810 32.976 6 53-7000 Material Moving Workers 4580950 32.628 7 47-2000 Construction Trades Workers 4216890 30.035 8 25-2000 Preschool, Primary, Secondary, and Special Education School 4133490 29.441 9 43-5000 Material Recording, Scheduling, Dispatching, and Distributi 4101520 29.213 10 15-1100 Computer Occupations 3997370 28.471 11 43-9000 Other Office and Administrative Support Workers 3940510 28.066 12 53-3000 Motor Vehicle Operators 3934070 28.020 13 35-2000 Cooks and Food Preparation Workers 3190940 22.728 14 37-2000 Building Cleaning and Pest Control Workers 3174220 22.608 15 43-3000 Financial Clerks 3133030 22.315 16 29-2000 Health Technologists and Technicians 3018820 21.502 17 49-9000 Other Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations 2836540 20.203 18 39-9000 Other Personal Care and Service Workers 2820750 20.091 19 13-2000 Financial Specialists 2651370 18.884 20 51-9000 Other Production Occupations 2582350 18.393 I've looked at this before ... in June of 2015 ... and the result was very nearly the same. From then: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3832wx/occupation_classifications_growth_and_change_over/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3832wx/occupat... And yes, I have not broken this down by state, let me see if I can find that data. It's also worth noting that the NPR article uses Census classifications, which may differ from those I've listed (though Census is one of the participants in the NAICS classification, itself shared between Mexico, the US, and Canada). NPR are ... unclear in the extreme ... as what specific data fields and employment classifications they are using. Given the NAICS categories above, multiple states would have to show peak employment in one of the listed categories above "Motor Vehicle Operators". And yet, none do.

dredmorbius 9y ago

Truck driving is not the largest employment by major NAICS job classification. Instead you'll find that the ranking puts office & administrative, sales, and food services ahead of all transport. The final column is per-mille, not per-cent, contribution. 43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations 22026080 156.881 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations 14536530 103.537 35-0000 Food Preparation and Serving Related Occupations 12981720 92.462 53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations 9731790 69.315 51-0000 Production Occupations 9105650 64.855 25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations 8636430 61.513 29-0000 Healthcare Practitioners and Technical Occupations 8318500 59.249 47-0000 Construction and Extraction Occupations 5585420 39.782 49-0000 Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations 5456640 38.865 39-0000 Personal Care and Service Occupations 4514960 32.158 37-0000 Building and Grounds Cleaning and Maintenance Occupations 4426090 31.525 15-0000 Computer and Mathematical Occupations 4165140 29.666 31-0000 Healthcare Support Occupations 4043480 28.800 33-0000 Protective Service Occupations 3386360 24.119 17-0000 Architecture and Engineering Occupations 2499050 17.799 21-0000 Community and Social Service Occupations 2019250 14.382 27-0000 Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media Occupations 1902970 13.554 19-0000 Life, Physical, and Social Science Occupations 1152840 8.211 23-0000 Legal Occupations 1075520 7.660 45-0000 Farming, Fishing, and Forestry Occupations 463640 3.302 Source: https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm Edit: I'm perplexed by the downvotes. Care to explain yourself?

adventured 9y ago
I didn't downvote you. I'm guessing it's about two things. The parent said the majority of the US states. [1] The premise there is - based on the data I've seen at least - in many states trucking is the most common specialized job. Sales and office jobs are non-specific as a super category. It doesn't make a lot of sense to compare something as extremely vague and varied as "sales" to trucking. Food prep & serving, does have some claim on the most common job, although that's generally a much lower tier of work in terms of pay and upside potential (fry cook, cashier or runner at McDonald's vs making $80k a year long-haul, not very comparable skill-sets). And you didn't go any deeper on the numbers in response to large differences between states in employment (given the parent proclaimed "in the majority of US states"). For example, in some states is transportation and material moving a more common job than food prep, and which states are those? (etc etc) [1] According to NPR's Planet Money, truck driver is in fact the most common job in most states. They reach that conclusion by dumping the overly vague super categories such as sales. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-t...
- dredmorbius 9y ago
  The detail level I provided is the "major" classification division. At "minor", trucking is only the 12th largest employment classification. There's a breakdown to fine detail (and I'm not sure what classification system is used) in which "truck driver" is the most numerous single entry, but that's almost entirely an ontological artefact: truck driving doesn't have a bunch of fine subdivisions. Contrast the employment classifications for "teacher", which has something like 50 distinct sub-categories. 1 41-2000 Retail Sales Workers 8791750 62.619 2 35-3000 Food and Beverage Serving Workers 7355090 52.387 3 43-4000 Information and Record Clerks 5630810 40.105 4 29-1000 Health Diagnosing and Treating Practitioners 5143640 36.636 5 13-1000 Business Operations Specialists 4629810 32.976 6 53-7000 Material Moving Workers 4580950 32.628 7 47-2000 Construction Trades Workers 4216890 30.035 8 25-2000 Preschool, Primary, Secondary, and Special Education School 4133490 29.441 9 43-5000 Material Recording, Scheduling, Dispatching, and Distributi 4101520 29.213 10 15-1100 Computer Occupations 3997370 28.471 11 43-9000 Other Office and Administrative Support Workers 3940510 28.066 12 53-3000 Motor Vehicle Operators 3934070 28.020 13 35-2000 Cooks and Food Preparation Workers 3190940 22.728 14 37-2000 Building Cleaning and Pest Control Workers 3174220 22.608 15 43-3000 Financial Clerks 3133030 22.315 16 29-2000 Health Technologists and Technicians 3018820 21.502 17 49-9000 Other Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations 2836540 20.203 18 39-9000 Other Personal Care and Service Workers 2820750 20.091 19 13-2000 Financial Specialists 2651370 18.884 20 51-9000 Other Production Occupations 2582350 18.393 I've looked at this before ... in June of 2015 ... and the result was very nearly the same. From then: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3832wx/occupation_classifications_growth_and_change_over/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3832wx/occupat... And yes, I have not broken this down by state, let me see if I can find that data. It's also worth noting that the NPR article uses Census classifications, which may differ from those I've listed (though Census is one of the participants in the NAICS classification, itself shared between Mexico, the US, and Canada). NPR are ... unclear in the extreme ... as what specific data fields and employment classifications they are using. Given the NAICS categories above, multiple states would have to show peak employment in one of the listed categories above "Motor Vehicle Operators". And yet, none do.