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Google's is similarly excessive https://i.imgur.com/fWvV7R4.png https://i.imgur.com/fWvV7R4.png Though I get the feeling google's approach of trying to desensi

Google's is similarly excessive https://i.imgur.com/fWvV7R4.png https://i.imgur.com/fWvV7R4.png Though I get the feeling google's approach of trying to desensitize me (emailing me about how great I am for traveling to mcdonalds like a slob, and gamifying my use of google maps, for example) instead of shamefully hiding it, is a fair bit worse

ohgodmorecow 9y ago
You can easily turn off this feature. But it's forced on Oxygen.
- 482794793792894 9y ago
  That doesn't really make a difference. Opt-out is essentially the same as just forcing it. The vast majority of users will never even know that they could be opting out.
  - drdaeman 9y ago
    I believe it's not opt-out. IIRC, you're properly asked, the first time you try to do something, whenever you want to enable relevant tracking - e.g. share location history (e.g. when trying to set up "show my location"), or save voice data on Google servers (e.g. when setting up voice unlocking), etc etc. I'm not exactly sure about app history and in-app search, though - just honestly don't remember about it. But it could be that user is actually asked at account setup time. Point is, for many things Google actually properly asks for permission. Guess, it works for them, because timing's relevant. (They probably have ton of invisible tracking as well.)
- ForHackernews 9y ago
  Is that true? You can turn off your ability to see your activity history in Google, but does it actually delete (or not send?) any data from Google's servers?
Klathmon 9y ago
Wait so google's approach of explicitly showing you the information they gather is worse than hiding the information they gather?
- pc86 9y ago
  I think he means the end result is worse. By being constantly shown the information you get desensitized to it. After years of that, you're much less likely to oppose this type of tracking than you would be had you never heard about it.
- MildlySerious 9y ago
  I wouldn't say worse per se, but it is bad in its own right for the reason the parent comment stated. If it's "normal" to track every step and shove it in your face, surely you must be paranoid to not let them do at least some of that stuff. I'm not saying there's no use for the data, and the services provided. It's just the opt-out nature of invading my privacy that I personally don't approve of.
- zeratax 9y ago
  I don't feel like they explicitly tell you. Seems to be more the tip of the ice berg to me.
remir 9y ago
You should take a look at this post from Android Police: http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/10/10/google-nerfing-home-minis-mine-spied-everything-said-247/ http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/10/10/google-nerfing-home-... Apparently there's a feature in the Google Home Mini that allows you to long press on the speaker to bypass the hot word detection ("Ok/hey Google"). Apparently there was a bug on this feature and random sounds could activate the listening of the Home, so it was recording data all day long.

ohgodmorecow 9y ago

You can easily turn off this feature. But it's forced on Oxygen.

482794793792894 9y ago
That doesn't really make a difference. Opt-out is essentially the same as just forcing it. The vast majority of users will never even know that they could be opting out.
- drdaeman 9y ago
  I believe it's not opt-out. IIRC, you're properly asked, the first time you try to do something, whenever you want to enable relevant tracking - e.g. share location history (e.g. when trying to set up "show my location"), or save voice data on Google servers (e.g. when setting up voice unlocking), etc etc. I'm not exactly sure about app history and in-app search, though - just honestly don't remember about it. But it could be that user is actually asked at account setup time. Point is, for many things Google actually properly asks for permission. Guess, it works for them, because timing's relevant. (They probably have ton of invisible tracking as well.)
ForHackernews 9y ago
Is that true? You can turn off your ability to see your activity history in Google, but does it actually delete (or not send?) any data from Google's servers?

Klathmon 9y ago

Wait so google's approach of explicitly showing you the information they gather is worse than hiding the information they gather?

pc86 9y ago
I think he means the end result is worse. By being constantly shown the information you get desensitized to it. After years of that, you're much less likely to oppose this type of tracking than you would be had you never heard about it.
MildlySerious 9y ago
I wouldn't say worse per se, but it is bad in its own right for the reason the parent comment stated. If it's "normal" to track every step and shove it in your face, surely you must be paranoid to not let them do at least some of that stuff. I'm not saying there's no use for the data, and the services provided. It's just the opt-out nature of invading my privacy that I personally don't approve of.
zeratax 9y ago
I don't feel like they explicitly tell you. Seems to be more the tip of the ice berg to me.

remir 9y ago

You should take a look at this post from Android Police: http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/10/10/google-nerfing-home-minis-mine-spied-everything-said-247/ http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/10/10/google-nerfing-home-... Apparently there's a feature in the Google Home Mini that allows you to long press on the speaker to bypass the hot word detection ("Ok/hey Google"). Apparently there was a bug on this feature and random sounds could activate the listening of the Home, so it was recording data all day long.