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I'm ok with this. Nextdoor is the only social media I use. Regardless of what they do with collected data, I much appreciate posts and profiles being local an

by axaxs 9y ago

I'm ok with this. Nextdoor is the only social media I use. Regardless of what they do with collected data, I much appreciate posts and profiles being local and reach user determined. I appreciate you can't use it to stalk people ala Facebook. Users should not be sharing posts to a wider audience than the user requested.

marak830 9y ago
So what denotes a reporter? What if you share with a friend who works for a newspaper? Or someone who works with a blogger. It's a stupid rule, and imho only there to make the users feel like they are in a unique clique. There is no real way to enforce it, nor any penalities. So basically, just PR.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  If you share it, and it shows up in a public article from your sharing, then you broke the rule. It's not that complicated.
  - marak830 9y ago
    So if you share it to a family member, and someone writes a story similar. . . What is the edge case here. You cannot expect only one person to make a deduction from information points. Edit: or are we talking 'specific headlines'. So if you want to share just alter the headline? Look I can't see any way this could work in reality, it's just PR imho.
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      Are rules only valid when they consider every edge case? That disqualifies almost every law, among other things. With a little bit of moderator judgment a rule like that can be enforced. It's ridiculous to say that these bans somehow can't be done, that moderators will look at a proof that their system is imperfect and come undone. It won't be perfect, but it's eminently doable.
      - true_religion 9y ago
        Honestly, I think rules should cover ever edge case that you can brainstorm within 10 minutes of thought. If some unaffiliated party can come up with the edge case easily, your rule should have a guideline about it--even if said guideline is only internal documentation. To be fair, were I running this moderation system, I would simply say anything unclear would be dealt with on a case by case basis, and those decisions would set precedent like in the actual legal system.
- stale2002 9y ago
  > There is no real way to enforce it, nor any penalities Sure there is. Break the rules and you get Permabanned! > What if you share with a friend who works for a newspaper? Or someone who works with a blogger. Permabanned! > Insert other weird edge case here.... Again, Permabanned! No exceptions. Don't think its fair? Well I don't care. It is their site, they don't have to be fair. Don't want to lose access to the hip neighborhood social network? Then don't break go around making things public that were supposed to be private. Don't toe the line with weird edge cases either. Yeah, sure, you could go all secret agent and take all the precautions and not get caught, or try and get around onerous multi-account protections that they have in place. But that sounds like a lot of work that most people aren't going to do. People are lazy, and you don't have to catch 100% of everybody in order to make people afraid enough so that they mostly follow the rules.
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  - amyjess 9y ago
    How does anyone know it was me? Reporters keep their sources confidential as a matter of course. It's unenforcable.
    - stale2002 9y ago
      People make mistakes. You might be able to get away with it or you might not. Reporters reveal their sources all the time. For example, when they quote someone. Maybe they'd think to protect you or maybe they will make a mistake. Enforcement doesn't have to be 100% for it to be an effective deterrent. Maybe they have access to your IP logs and can track your viewing history down. You don't know what tools they do or do not have. And even if it truly IS completely unenforceable, well who says that the average user even knows that? They might just play it safe because they don't want to get banned. That's how rules and enforcement works.
matt4077 9y ago
I've never seen Nextdoor. But from what I've read here, these are semi-public groups and may act as a sort of informal, ultra-local administration. If that includes making any group decisions that affect others in the neighbourhood, I believe it's important that at least the possibility of journalists making it public remains. There are all sorts of organisations that are free to choose their members and keep their meeting private. But the focus on specific neighbourhoods changes the power dynamics somewhat, because you cannot escape such a group's power (if it has any). It may be comparable to professional associations like the various local bar associations: they are required to admit any local lawyer in good standing, because their decisions can affect everyone practicing law within their jurisdiction.
- axaxs 9y ago
  I dunno, because I can only see my neighborhood...but that's not how it is at all. It's literally a little forum that has no real power. Ours is used for selling things, asking for recommendations, reporting crime, and reporting lost/found animals.

by axaxs 9y ago

marak830 9y ago

So what denotes a reporter? What if you share with a friend who works for a newspaper? Or someone who works with a blogger. It's a stupid rule, and imho only there to make the users feel like they are in a unique clique. There is no real way to enforce it, nor any penalities. So basically, just PR.

Dylan16807 9y ago
If you share it, and it shows up in a public article from your sharing, then you broke the rule. It's not that complicated.
- marak830 9y ago
  So if you share it to a family member, and someone writes a story similar. . . What is the edge case here. You cannot expect only one person to make a deduction from information points. Edit: or are we talking 'specific headlines'. So if you want to share just alter the headline? Look I can't see any way this could work in reality, it's just PR imho.
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    Are rules only valid when they consider every edge case? That disqualifies almost every law, among other things. With a little bit of moderator judgment a rule like that can be enforced. It's ridiculous to say that these bans somehow can't be done, that moderators will look at a proof that their system is imperfect and come undone. It won't be perfect, but it's eminently doable.
    - true_religion 9y ago
      Honestly, I think rules should cover ever edge case that you can brainstorm within 10 minutes of thought. If some unaffiliated party can come up with the edge case easily, your rule should have a guideline about it--even if said guideline is only internal documentation. To be fair, were I running this moderation system, I would simply say anything unclear would be dealt with on a case by case basis, and those decisions would set precedent like in the actual legal system.
stale2002 9y ago
> There is no real way to enforce it, nor any penalities Sure there is. Break the rules and you get Permabanned! > What if you share with a friend who works for a newspaper? Or someone who works with a blogger. Permabanned! > Insert other weird edge case here.... Again, Permabanned! No exceptions. Don't think its fair? Well I don't care. It is their site, they don't have to be fair. Don't want to lose access to the hip neighborhood social network? Then don't break go around making things public that were supposed to be private. Don't toe the line with weird edge cases either. Yeah, sure, you could go all secret agent and take all the precautions and not get caught, or try and get around onerous multi-account protections that they have in place. But that sounds like a lot of work that most people aren't going to do. People are lazy, and you don't have to catch 100% of everybody in order to make people afraid enough so that they mostly follow the rules.
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- amyjess 9y ago
  How does anyone know it was me? Reporters keep their sources confidential as a matter of course. It's unenforcable.
  - stale2002 9y ago
    People make mistakes. You might be able to get away with it or you might not. Reporters reveal their sources all the time. For example, when they quote someone. Maybe they'd think to protect you or maybe they will make a mistake. Enforcement doesn't have to be 100% for it to be an effective deterrent. Maybe they have access to your IP logs and can track your viewing history down. You don't know what tools they do or do not have. And even if it truly IS completely unenforceable, well who says that the average user even knows that? They might just play it safe because they don't want to get banned. That's how rules and enforcement works.

matt4077 9y ago

I've never seen Nextdoor. But from what I've read here, these are semi-public groups and may act as a sort of informal, ultra-local administration. If that includes making any group decisions that affect others in the neighbourhood, I believe it's important that at least the possibility of journalists making it public remains. There are all sorts of organisations that are free to choose their members and keep their meeting private. But the focus on specific neighbourhoods changes the power dynamics somewhat, because you cannot escape such a group's power (if it has any). It may be comparable to professional associations like the various local bar associations: they are required to admit any local lawyer in good standing, because their decisions can affect everyone practicing law within their jurisdiction.

axaxs 9y ago
I dunno, because I can only see my neighborhood...but that's not how it is at all. It's literally a little forum that has no real power. Ours is used for selling things, asking for recommendations, reporting crime, and reporting lost/found animals.