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Wha.... what if you ARE a reporter?

by VonGuard 9y ago

ouid 9y ago
then don't report on posts
- ch4s3 9y ago
  Not to be facetious, but what if it's in the public interest?
  - kobeya 9y ago
    Oh you’re free to report on it. You’re just not free to keep using the site afterwards. Their club, their rules.
    - RandVal30142 9y ago
      >You’re just not free to keep using the site afterwards. Bring me to court about that one.
      - wyldfire 9y ago
        I think the court would have to thread the needle on whether: (1) the function of the site is like a private club whose secrets are vital to its continued existence, (1a) the language in the ToS supports (1) (2) the private news items shared there are in the public interest and likely not reported on otherwise (at least the ones that were disclosed publicly). No one likes chilled speech but there's plenty of examples of legitimate agreements for non-disclosure. Those agreements provide mutual benefit and could be threatened by a ruling in favor of a claimant against NextDoor.
        kobeya 9y ago
        Their not claiming non disclosure. Just the right to kick you off their service (out of their club) if they don’t like what you do. “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” That is, in fact, a legally protected right in the United States. A constitutional right by some arguments. See, for example, the Boy Scouts vs a long list of gays, atheists, and girls, where this was affirmed numerous times by the Supreme Court.
      - DannyBee 9y ago
        You interestingly seem to believe your first amendment rights free you from any repercussions. That is ... not supported by law. You have strongly confused prior restraint laws (IE what you'd be punished for publishing and what people can prevent you from publishing) and contract law (IE whether they can legally keep you off the site, enjoin you from doing so further, and receive money damages).
      - kobeya 9y ago
        > Their club, their rules.
  - linkregister 9y ago
    Then accept the consequences of being kicked off of a privately-owned website?
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- RandVal30142 9y ago
  >don't report on posts Make me.
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    ...it's not complicated. You can, but you get banned, and then you can't do it again.
    - RandVal30142 9y ago
      I still feel like people havent figured out this internet thing. If I want to report on a post by say some scrubby Islamic State propagandist I'm going to do it. They can ban me but it will just become part of the reporting. Then give me a few minutes and I'll be back on the site doing my thing again. Terrible terms of service don't make a private garden. Neither does IP/phone number fingerprinting. I agree with you though, it is not that complicated.
      - Dylan16807 9y ago
        > Neither does IP/phone number fingerprinting. It's not that easy to get an unlimited supplies of proxies that are located in a single neighborhood.
cdibona 9y ago
Also, frankly, what is a reported these days? Anyone with an audience? A popular FB feed? This kind of thing is ignorant of how ...distributed "reporting" has become. This is pretty disappointing, but more than that, pointless to try to police..

Wha.... what if you ARE a reporter?

ouid 9y ago

then don't report on posts

ch4s3 9y ago
Not to be facetious, but what if it's in the public interest?
- kobeya 9y ago
  Oh you’re free to report on it. You’re just not free to keep using the site afterwards. Their club, their rules.
  - RandVal30142 9y ago
    >You’re just not free to keep using the site afterwards. Bring me to court about that one.
    - wyldfire 9y ago
      I think the court would have to thread the needle on whether: (1) the function of the site is like a private club whose secrets are vital to its continued existence, (1a) the language in the ToS supports (1) (2) the private news items shared there are in the public interest and likely not reported on otherwise (at least the ones that were disclosed publicly). No one likes chilled speech but there's plenty of examples of legitimate agreements for non-disclosure. Those agreements provide mutual benefit and could be threatened by a ruling in favor of a claimant against NextDoor.
      - kobeya 9y ago
        Their not claiming non disclosure. Just the right to kick you off their service (out of their club) if they don’t like what you do. “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” That is, in fact, a legally protected right in the United States. A constitutional right by some arguments. See, for example, the Boy Scouts vs a long list of gays, atheists, and girls, where this was affirmed numerous times by the Supreme Court.
    - DannyBee 9y ago
      You interestingly seem to believe your first amendment rights free you from any repercussions. That is ... not supported by law. You have strongly confused prior restraint laws (IE what you'd be punished for publishing and what people can prevent you from publishing) and contract law (IE whether they can legally keep you off the site, enjoin you from doing so further, and receive money damages).
    - kobeya 9y ago
      > Their club, their rules.
- linkregister 9y ago
  Then accept the consequences of being kicked off of a privately-owned website?
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RandVal30142 9y ago
>don't report on posts Make me.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  ...it's not complicated. You can, but you get banned, and then you can't do it again.
  - RandVal30142 9y ago
    I still feel like people havent figured out this internet thing. If I want to report on a post by say some scrubby Islamic State propagandist I'm going to do it. They can ban me but it will just become part of the reporting. Then give me a few minutes and I'll be back on the site doing my thing again. Terrible terms of service don't make a private garden. Neither does IP/phone number fingerprinting. I agree with you though, it is not that complicated.
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      > Neither does IP/phone number fingerprinting. It's not that easy to get an unlimited supplies of proxies that are located in a single neighborhood.

cdibona 9y ago

Also, frankly, what is a reported these days? Anyone with an audience? A popular FB feed? This kind of thing is ignorant of how ...distributed "reporting" has become. This is pretty disappointing, but more than that, pointless to try to police..