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Apple signaling its boundless virtue as usual.
by monochromatic 9y ago
Apple signaling its boundless virtue as usual.
- ErikVandeWater 9y agoIt is ironic that gender is someone's own choice of who they choose to identify as, but Apple seems to be reinforcing that what you look like determines what gender you must be.
- bsaul 9y agoWhat's even more ironical is that if gender is someone's choice, then what does one mean when "it" choose to dress as a woman ?
- perfmode 9y ago*they
- arielweisberg 9y agoIt's not clear why you put "it" in quotes or used the term "it" which generally doesn't refer to a person.
- bsaul 9y agoi guess we should invent a new english word for neither a male nor a female yet a human being... i'm not english so i don't know what's the usage.
- grzm 9y ago"they" is the commonly used gender neutral pronoun in English.
- arielweisberg 9y agoAh sorry I should have elaborated more. So in English politically correct culture calling transgender people "it" is not considered OK. Things that are "it" aren't people. You can use they/them or refer to the person or group by name. I'd say it's maybe a tick or two below dropping the n-bomb or using whatever the racist term du jour is for a some group. It's not at the same level because a lot of people still don't know that using "it" implies that someone doesn't have personhood. There are people who refer to transgender persons as "it" in anger and disgust because they don't want to acknowledge someone else's choice of gender and the things that drive that decision like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria. Caveat. I am really not an expert at the whole transgender thing. I'm as tall, cis, white, and male as they come.
- eesmith 9y agoIt means that person wants to wear a dress. It doesn't mean that person is a women, nor does it mean that person is a man.
- bsaul 9y agowearing some clothes instead of another never made you change your gender, did it ? You could say " i'm a man that likes to wear dresses" without denying being of a "male" gender...
- eesmith 9y agoI believe that is the intent of my reply to bsaul's comment, yes. In this case it appears that bsaul didn't realize that "it", especially in quotes like that, is used as a slur against non-gender conforming people. So I'll reword it this way: a gender-neutral emoji in a dress is a gender-neutral emoji in a dress. It can mean whatever the author and readers interpret it to mean. The meaning can be highly context sensitive.
- manicdee 9y agoE
- wickawic 9y agoWe all signal virtue through any action. Not including these emoji is also signaling virtue. What do you recommend they do? It is not in their best interest as a global and publicly traded company to be intentionally exclusive.
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- nooron 9y agoMonochromatic signaling their boundless virtue as usual, with low effort comments. See how your comment is also meant to signal virtue to people who use the phrase virtue signaling? The real question is: what harm has been done to you by Apple including trans and ambiguously gendered people? It makes them happier and feel more included, which is a moral good and a rare ethical low-hanging fruit.
- bduerst 9y ago"Virtue Signalling" is just the new snarl word for "SJW". Anyone relying on using this essentially meaningless phrase (SJW, virtue signalling, or other snarl words) to label something is intentionally being dismissive in a derogatory manner, and is not really worth engaging. e: see their intentional strawman below for further proof https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior#.22Virtue_signalling.22 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior#.22Virt...
- monochromatic 9y ago>anyone who disagrees isn’t worth talking to Ok.
- nooron 9y agoWant to prove them wrong, monochromatic? I'm listening.