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Rumors of EPA decline are greatly exaggerated. Tier IV emissions standards are here to stay. Fuel economy rules are here to stay. Airborne dust standards haven'

by rrggrr 9y ago

Rumors of EPA decline are greatly exaggerated. Tier IV emissions standards are here to stay. Fuel economy rules are here to stay. Airborne dust standards haven't been relaxed. Criminal offenses for illegal dumping are still intact. The United States isn't returning the 1970's and claims to the contrary are political propaganda.

Judgmentality 9y ago
How can you say definitively that things won't change? I'm genuinely asking - I don't know the specifics of what the head of the EPA can and cannot do to change existing laws (nor do I know all the specifics of which laws the president can change).
- rrggrr 9y ago
  There's already been change and there will be more. Climate change regulations in particular have been rolled back. The real questions are: (a) will Pruitt roll back regulations that do more social harm (think decent paying jobs and investment) than good (think public health); and (b) does a four year rollback before a likely change in Presidents even matter?
mmanfrin 9y ago
claims to the contrary are political propaganda ... despite the party in power in all three branches actively trying to defang and rollback EPA regulations?
- rrggrr 9y ago
  You're buying into a false narrative. There are many thousands of regulations. They don't all make sense. They're not all necessary. And, some that do make sense and that are necessary may get rolled back... for 4 years until the next administration comes in.
  - wavefunction 9y ago
    What about when the Trump administration hussles to de-National Monumentize public lands and start the brutal extraction they're looking to do on say Escalante or Bear Ears? You can't roll environmental damage back, necessarily.
  - RandVal30142 9y ago
    >You're buying into a false narrative. You're making up a false narrative.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      You actually think regulations are going to be rolled back to those of the 70's?
      - RandVal30142 9y ago
        No just pointing out you are creating a false narrative. >There are many thousands of regulations. They don't all make sense. They're not all necessary. "Soooo many regulations, we couldn't possibly need all of these. Ignore the specific few discussed here lets make it about allllll these redundant regulations." Not very smooth.
        5ilv3r 9y ago
        It's difficult to have these conversations when people are constantly terrified of "what trump wants" instead of what he is actually capable of. I'm amazed at how much power people think the president has.
        mikeash 9y ago
        The President plus Congress plus the Supreme Court has all the power, though. The first two would love to roll back pollution controls, and the last one is teetering. The main thing preventing it right now is that the ruling party has forgotten how to rule.
maxerickson 9y ago
You think https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-dot-open-comment-period-reconsideration-ghg-standards-cars-and-light-trucks https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-dot-open-comment-period... will result in no changes? Or do you mean that there will still be some rules about fuel economy?

by rrggrr 9y ago

Judgmentality 9y ago

How can you say definitively that things won't change? I'm genuinely asking - I don't know the specifics of what the head of the EPA can and cannot do to change existing laws (nor do I know all the specifics of which laws the president can change).

rrggrr 9y ago
There's already been change and there will be more. Climate change regulations in particular have been rolled back. The real questions are: (a) will Pruitt roll back regulations that do more social harm (think decent paying jobs and investment) than good (think public health); and (b) does a four year rollback before a likely change in Presidents even matter?

mmanfrin 9y ago

claims to the contrary are political propaganda ... despite the party in power in all three branches actively trying to defang and rollback EPA regulations?

rrggrr 9y ago
You're buying into a false narrative. There are many thousands of regulations. They don't all make sense. They're not all necessary. And, some that do make sense and that are necessary may get rolled back... for 4 years until the next administration comes in.
- wavefunction 9y ago
  What about when the Trump administration hussles to de-National Monumentize public lands and start the brutal extraction they're looking to do on say Escalante or Bear Ears? You can't roll environmental damage back, necessarily.
- RandVal30142 9y ago
  >You're buying into a false narrative. You're making up a false narrative.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    You actually think regulations are going to be rolled back to those of the 70's?
    - RandVal30142 9y ago
      No just pointing out you are creating a false narrative. >There are many thousands of regulations. They don't all make sense. They're not all necessary. "Soooo many regulations, we couldn't possibly need all of these. Ignore the specific few discussed here lets make it about allllll these redundant regulations." Not very smooth.
      - 5ilv3r 9y ago
        It's difficult to have these conversations when people are constantly terrified of "what trump wants" instead of what he is actually capable of. I'm amazed at how much power people think the president has.
        mikeash 9y ago
        The President plus Congress plus the Supreme Court has all the power, though. The first two would love to roll back pollution controls, and the last one is teetering. The main thing preventing it right now is that the ruling party has forgotten how to rule.

maxerickson 9y ago

You think https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-dot-open-comment-period-reconsideration-ghg-standards-cars-and-light-trucks https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-dot-open-comment-period... will result in no changes? Or do you mean that there will still be some rules about fuel economy?