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What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

157 points by ALee 9y ago

zitterbewegung 9y ago
Went from 320 pounds to 260. Back problems basically go away unless I have been sitting a really long time. After I go to the gym I feel great no matter what day I have had. Since I haven't died I will just rely on the stats in the article.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  I did go back to sport, I used to be moving 6h+ per week then stopped. Amazing help. One thing I should do is swimming, the feeling of complete exhaustion and relaxation after is overwhelmingly good. Also fixes your bad diet.
  - egypturnash 9y ago
    oh man that time when I'm exercising enough that my body starts insisting I eat better is the best
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      I stopped eating shit 3 years ago, but since I started long jogging sessions, I can sense another level, I don't eat, I devour. Apple, beef, veggies, whatever, it doesn't spend more than 15 seconds in my mouth.
blammo999 9y ago
Ah yes, let me just conjure up some motivation to get rid of my lack of motivation.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
  Well, depression is a positive feedback loop where a negative mental state leads to actions that amplify that state. To break the loop, something has to change.
  - cjsuk 9y ago
    Eating works :)
- DoodleBuggy 9y ago
  You don't really need motivation to get started, you just have to do it anyway, motivated or not. Start small, go walk for 20 minutes around your neighborhood. Repeat until it becomes a habit and part of your daily routine. If you like animals and you are responsible enough to be a pet owner, getting a dog can help too.
- Boothroid 9y ago
  I think it's more organisation than motivation, at least for me. I think most people if someone knocked on the door once a day and said 'hey were off cycling/walking/whatever for an hour, wanna come?' and you had the time available would go. The key is to make it fun and convenient, and then motivation creates itself.
tu7001 9y ago
Exposure to weather conditions, hot and cold is also critical.
- collyw 9y ago
  First time I have heard that. Got any references, I would like to read more?
  - nradov 9y ago
    tu7001's comment shouldn't be down voted, it is correct. The human body has to expend energy to heat or cool itself when the ambient environment is outside a certain narrow range. Sweating burns some calories, even if you're just sitting around. When we spend our time inside climate controlled rooms then we burn fewer calories. The effect is small, but measurable. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3975627/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3975627/
- uoaei 9y ago
  Anecdote time here, but spending some time in a steam room and then entering a cold bath, and doing this 3 times or so, feels like a great cardio workout without the muscle soreness. There's definitely a lot of energy expended, particularly by the circulatory system, in keeping one's core temperature more or less stable.
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mendelsd 9y ago
This is a UK article, and I'm going to post a UK-centric, male-centric comment (as a UK-based man), but I suspect my comment applies to both genders, and to many health systems around the world. I don't doubt exercise is extremely valuable, and that everyone should be following the advice in TFA. However, I am starting to think that lifestyle recommendations are a way for a public health system to wash its hands of its responsibility to actually, proactively care for people. As in: “Well, we're sure you can make changes on your own to improve your health, so just go and do your bit while we quietly neglect to do ours". Yes, you should exercise, and eat right, and not drink too much, and sleep right, and not stress too much. You should do as much as you reasonably can in all these areas. But if you're looking to "defy depression, disease and early death", you'd also better learn a bit about the way your health system operates, and the common issues it is inclined (presumably for cost reasons) to ignore. I've written in past comments about thyroid conditions, which are a big deal, and can easily go undiagnosed for a long time (due, basically, to cost-driven neglect). I'm becoming aware of more issues: 1) Testosterone: I’m a middle-aged man and I’ve been complaining to my GP for months about feeling weak while exercising, and about sleep disruption. I’ve been doing my own reading, and have just discovered that hypogonadism (inadequate testosterone levels) is incredibly common amongst middle-aged men: “Hypogonadism affects approximately 40% of men aged 45 or older, although less than 5% of these men are actually diagnosed and treated for the condition” [1]. Even discounting the fact that the author of this article declares that he consults for pharma companies, that’s a staggering statistic. So why given my symptoms do I have to ask my GP to check my testosterone levels, rather than him having ordered the test months ago? 2) Prolactin: it seems a very significant fraction of the population (e.g. 6-25% of the U. S. population) have pituitary tumours, forty percent of which produce prolactin [2], which is a sex hormone. There’s evidence that people whose prolactin levels are in the upper normal of the physiological reference range, suffer from insulin resistance [3] and have significantly increased risk of mortality [4]. Oh, and prolactin stimulates the immune system and high levels are associated with autoimmune diseases [5]. I had a test done for prolactin levels recently (I requested some tests to check for hypopituitarism), and levels came back quite high but in the normal physiological range (see above, of course). GP response: “no problem, levels are normal”. Which is true, in that I appear to be suffering from quite normal disease that the health system intends to do nothing about. Bottom line: Do your homework, folks. View your health service as a resource, a gateway to services. When it comes to chronic conditions and diseases of old age, you (or nobody) are the principal investigator. [1] http://www.bcmj.org/articles/testosterone-deficiency-practical-guidelines-diagnosis-and-treatment http://www.bcmj.org/articles/testosterone-deficiency-practic... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactinoma#Epidemiology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactinoma#Epidemiology [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28384295 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28384295 [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22843444 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22843444 [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16411065 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16411065
dalkishna 9y ago
I'm a great fan of my daily walk. So not saying this is necessarily wrong. But there's no theory! e.g. mental health isn't understood, so whether exercise is of lasting benefit in that department is unclear. Consider that people pay good money to sit for a week or more to try to elevate their well-being. Consider that athletes have their fair share of mental health issues, and that even top athletes live less than 3 years longer than average. (Which seems like a small difference.) Consider that people who move about constantly will eventually drop dead of heart failure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518 Examples such as this are perhaps misleading edge cases. But theory would give some insight into why they are misleading. At present we are blind.
mjcohen 9y ago
Improv.
quadcore 9y ago
Just in case you need to read this again, exercise changed my life. It simply get rid of the fatigue. Dont take drugs to stay awake, go run half an hour (it really doesn't take more than that to feel tremendous effects).
- _alias 9y ago
  Definitely. I've recently started exercising more. My bare minimum commitment to myself is to walk a half an hour a day. I regularly do more, but if I only do 30 minutes I don't feel guilty. No matter how long of a day I've had, I'm never too tired to walk for 30 minutes. It's also a good way to build self control through habit.
- DoodleBuggy 9y ago
  Indeed, an early morning run or swim will wake you up better than caffeine will.
  - closeparen 9y ago
    As can being beaten with a baseball bat or shocked with a cattle prod, but fortunately we’ve found a mechanism other than pain.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  I started playing tennis twice a week (would like to do it three times but those are the group times) and I love the difference. Aches have completely gone away, and I feel much fitter overall.
- closeparen 9y ago
  I would rate my life satisfaction as at least moderate, but is nothing about being alive that could possibly justify the experience of exercise, particularly of running. Given the choice between a lifetime of regular running or death, I’d choose death without even blinking.
  - michaelhoney 9y ago
jcousins 9y ago
I reversed diabetes with diet alone by doing my own research[1], taking charge of my health. I lost 180lbs in the process. No exercise (disabled). Very much a work in progress. I'm not rejecting the importance of exercise for health - I follow the general principal of eating to get healthy, exercising to get fit - but I think we skip over the absolute tragedy that is the Standard American Diet at our peril. Recovering from the consuequences of three/four generations of preaching the lipid hypothesis[2], as fast as we damn well can, is the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death. [1] http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2015/9/5/fat-emperor-productions-present-the-kraft-interview-decoding-diabetes http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2015/9/5/fat-emperor-produ... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis
- throwaway0255 9y ago
  I'm on the same track as you, I've lost about 80lbs so far and I've done zero exercise. I've found that when I tell people this, they worry about my health even more than they did when I was 80lbs heavier. It's bizarre. Never mind the fact that my blood pressure is now a pristine 110 over 70, all my pre-diabetic symptoms have disappeared, my sleep apnea is cured, my gastroesophageal reflux disease is completely gone, my cholesterol and triglycerides are back to normal, etc. The fact is exercise has an almost negligible impact on weight loss. Let's be very generous and say an hour of typical exercise burns 350 calories. If you're overweight, compare that to the 120 calories you burn per hour spent sitting in your chair. That's an extra 230 calories you burned by exercising for an hour. That 230 calorie expenditure costs you: * 1.5 to 2 hours of disruption to your daily life * An hour spent being extremely bored and uncomfortable * An ever-growing amount of generalized aches and joint pains as you put together consecutive days of doing this And at 230 calories per hour, doing an hour of exercise every single day nets you 1610 calories per week, which is less than 1 pound of fat loss every 2 weeks. You turn your whole life upside-down, make yourself miserable and in pain every single day, take significant time away from work and studying and family, and all you get is LESS THAN 1 additional pound lost every 2 weeks. I honestly think the net impact of promoting exercise as a weight loss option is people getting and staying fatter. People have a tendency to dramatically overestimate the calories they're burning, people want to use exercise as a way to avoid having to eat less, and people use exercise as an excuse to eat more. It also causes an amount of disruption and discomfort in people's lives that's probably the number one cause of people giving up on their weight loss goals. As far as health impacts, I'm still not convinced on the cause-and-effect here. I want to start doing some physical activities soon, but that's not going to cause me to be less depressed, that's a result of me being less depressed because of all the weight I've been losing. All the studies I've seen on exercise and health draw the same sort of "playing basketball makes you taller"-conclusion.
jedrek 9y ago
I think it's amazing the way we've completely sidelined physical activity - not exercise per se, but any physical activity - in our western lives. Unless you live without a car, there is no requirement for you to walk more than 1000 steps during the day. Wake up, drive to work, sit at your desk, drive to a restaurant for dinner, drive home, plop down on your couch. Rinse, repeat. Even if you do decide to work out, it tends to be the first thing you drop when you don't have time. Or you worked late. Or you forget your gym clothes. Or you're just too exhausted to go. We used to be active, our jobs required motion, we had to walk or cycle to work, or even take public transportation - which requires you to at least walk to the stop and back. Now we literally sit on our asses, day in, day out, and wonder why so many people are obese.
- DoodleBuggy 9y ago
  > We used to be active Being fit, or at least not fat, was also a cultural priority until relatively recently.
  - jedrek 9y ago
    The cultural priority in the 1950s was to not be thin.
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- Boothroid 9y ago
  But especially so in the US in comparison to Europe - in the US the urban form implicitly precludes walking through low density of housing and lack what we call pavement in the UK, whereas in Europe more people live in settlements that are focused on an identifiable centre, with walking routes to that centre. Even worse, in some places in the US walking is explicitly banned! However even in spite of that we manage in Europe to be following the US in porking out as a population, so I guess we must be walking less over here also. Personally I find myself walking less and less these days because I can feel the diesel soot making my chest tight, and that really cannot be good for my health. The sooner they get rid of diesel the better.
frankzander 9y ago
It's great to have a dog that will be walked every day on every weather. Ok if you have a cold it's not such a great thing but as a desk worker you must go out and walk at least one hour per day around.
- DoodleBuggy 9y ago
  I agree with this. If you like animals and are responsible enough to have what amounts to a light version of a child, then dogs are excellent for encouraging activity since they require daily walks.
  - frankzander 9y ago
    "light version of a child" is funny :) It's like a child but without the stress ;)
    - musage 9y ago
      I agree and disagree. A well-treated animal does require attention and some effort, but I agree it causes no stress, to the contrary. But they're like children who never grow up and will always need you or someone who loves them from the bottom of their heart when you're gone (maybe not so much with, say, lizards, but certainly with dogs and to a lesser degree cats). I don't mean this as a negative per se, I just needed to say that as soon as I saw "light version of a child". When my cats died, I thought what it might be like to have children, and I nearly swooned. But then I thought how much better it is for them to have lived a full life and die on me, than the other way around, and that's certainly not how it would feel with children.
- nradov 9y ago
  Yes since I bought a dog 3 years ago I walk or run with her almost every day and I'm definitely fitter for it.
- Boothroid 9y ago
  Sometimes it winds me up to have to do it, but I can't not do it or the poor dog ends up miserable. It's the perfect way to force yourself to do at least a minimum every day.
spodek 9y ago
I agree with the article but put it differently. To say exercise lowers depression, disease, and death normalizes inactivity. You can define normal how you want, but I prefer to think of exercise as normal and that lack of it contributes to depression, disease, and death.
Waterluvian 9y ago
I've moved from an apartment to a house, which means I have two staircases I traverse daily, a small lawn to mow, and a few other things like that. It's amazing to me what even a slight bit of regular activity can do. It just feels good to be even a little active on a regular basis. I feel so much more ready to move.
seizethecheese 9y ago
For those still unconvinced, I'll add another anecdote to this thread. Morning exercise completely cured my intractable insomnia.
- purplethinking 9y ago
  Morning exercise specifically? How about lunch?
  - seizethecheese 9y ago
    Lunch works too, but the earlier and the harder the better.
- hackermailman 9y ago
  Schools in Canada have kids work an exercise bike to get their heart rate up before class which helped eliminate disruptive behavior and being unable to concentrate on lessons. I tried it on myself in the morning before working through texts, definitely works. Now I have an elaborate spin bike setup, large TV playing lectures and a bluetooth headset to hear them. I ride the bike for the entire lecture, usually 45mins-1hr15mins, and recently incorporated interval training so whenever a student in the recorded lecture asks a question, it's always one that could have been answered by reading the assigned material beforehand like the student is supposed to do, so I go as hard as possible on the bike until the professor returns to the lecture. After I have no problems concentrating for another hour or so on the assigned reading or trying the proofs in the lecture notes whereas before I as always fidgety sitting for so long during a lecture not wanting to spend yet more time staring at proofs. I also agree with the other poster exercise usually doesn't equate weight loss since I didn't lose any weight until I started making my own food and avoiding all the takeout junk I was eating. Like everybody else I overestimated the amount of calories burned so feasted on huge pasta dishes and baguette sandwiches.
pjc50 9y ago
Just to avoid confusion, not all clinical depression is fully treatable by exercise; I've known several people who were severely depressed while also being non-car-owning regular cyclists. Sometimes antidepressants are required. Sometimes therapy is required. Please avoid turning this into "why don't you just exercise".
- xj9 9y ago
  "why don't you exercise?" is always a valid question tho; unless you are physically incapable of doing so, you should, and you're unquestionably damaging your health if you don't.
  - legulere 9y ago
    Being depressed might prevent you from exercising.
    - seppin 9y ago
      > Being depressed might prevent you from exercising. Would being depressed prevent you from taking anti-depression medicine? Seeking help from a doctor?
      - baylisscg 9y ago
        Actually, yes. It's difficult to try and take control of a situation when simply doing all the things necessary to keep being alive is a challenge. Couple that with the social stigma of being diagnosed with mental problems and yes it's completely possible.
    - xj9 9y ago
      true. doesn't mean that you shouldn't. exercise is important for your health in general.
- throwaway0255 9y ago
  You can see this if you just look at the last few hundred years of human history. Humans used to have to engage in hours of labor every day just to survive. If the sun was up you were exercising. Were they so much happier and healthier? There are people in the world who still have to do that labor. They're not happier or healthier or longer-lived than the western world. In fact, the overall high-level trend appears to be that happiness is correlated with being sedentary. Correlation doesn't mean causation of course, but as long as articles like this one are going to imply that it does, I might as well point out that I can make the exact same argument in the opposite direction.
tomcam 9y ago
Exercise does nothing to lighten my mood. I hate exercise in virtually all forms. Never experienced the "runner's high" or any kind of apparent dopamine production (not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't ever feel better with exercise).
Noos 9y ago
These articles are such exquisite forms of class warfare that it approaches the sublime. 1. Upper class people seek to differentiate themselves from lower class people by status markers (like reading the guardian) 2. In the past, food was scarce, so upper class people were fat when lower class were lean, hence terms like "rubinesque beauty" or the figures of Botticelli's art. 3. Now food is common though, so the status marker is to be thin, because being thin shows you have leisure time to exercise, (you try being on your feet for 12 hours a day and then going to the gym), have money to eat the right kinds of food, and have the good form to have discipline not to eat when you need comfort (or in general need comfort). 4. but it's not enough to do it, the upper class needs their virtues reinforced. 5. Since the upper class is atheistic due to the lower class being religious (unless they are the right kind of religion, something either punishing to follow or neo-atheistic as it is), we must focus on the atheist's heaven, good health. 6. Your virtue in being thin is rewarded through lack of depression, disease, and long life! Your priestly newspaper has given you a scientific sermon. Think about this. Why is this article in the Guardian, who I'm willing to bet already exercise, eat well, etc? Wouldn't it be in the Daily Mail instead, if the point was to convince people to exercise? That's because it's there to reinforce the idea of exercise and thinness as a status marker among the Guardian readership. The same thing happens in lower class media too, on different subjects, but the upper class usually never even gets how they are being led around.
- michaelhoney 9y ago
  You realise that by rejecting health and exercise on political grounds, you are condemning the lower classes to shorter, unhappier lives? Good food and exercise really are good for your body and mind, whatever you think of those effete Guardian readers.
sigi45 9y ago
There is a simpler explaination to this: If you spend a few hours doing some exercise (changing cloth, showering, going to the sport area) you are not sitting alone, as usual in front of a display or in your couche. It distracts your mind from your negative thoughts. Also beeing able to walk normally and without pain, going up stairs etc. is a good and normal feeling. When you get older and those basic things stop working, that really sucks. Or being overweight when 'normal' things become tedious.

157 points by ALee 9y ago

Went from 320 pounds to 260. Back problems basically go away unless I have been sitting a really long time. After I go to the gym I feel great no matter what day I have had. Since I haven't died I will just rely on the stats in the article.

agumonkey 9y ago
I did go back to sport, I used to be moving 6h+ per week then stopped. Amazing help. One thing I should do is swimming, the feeling of complete exhaustion and relaxation after is overwhelmingly good. Also fixes your bad diet.
- egypturnash 9y ago
  oh man that time when I'm exercising enough that my body starts insisting I eat better is the best
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    I stopped eating shit 3 years ago, but since I started long jogging sessions, I can sense another level, I don't eat, I devour. Apple, beef, veggies, whatever, it doesn't spend more than 15 seconds in my mouth.

blammo999 9y ago

Ah yes, let me just conjure up some motivation to get rid of my lack of motivation.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
Well, depression is a positive feedback loop where a negative mental state leads to actions that amplify that state. To break the loop, something has to change.
- cjsuk 9y ago
  Eating works :)
DoodleBuggy 9y ago
You don't really need motivation to get started, you just have to do it anyway, motivated or not. Start small, go walk for 20 minutes around your neighborhood. Repeat until it becomes a habit and part of your daily routine. If you like animals and you are responsible enough to be a pet owner, getting a dog can help too.
Boothroid 9y ago
I think it's more organisation than motivation, at least for me. I think most people if someone knocked on the door once a day and said 'hey were off cycling/walking/whatever for an hour, wanna come?' and you had the time available would go. The key is to make it fun and convenient, and then motivation creates itself.

tu7001 9y ago

Exposure to weather conditions, hot and cold is also critical.

collyw 9y ago
First time I have heard that. Got any references, I would like to read more?
- nradov 9y ago
  tu7001's comment shouldn't be down voted, it is correct. The human body has to expend energy to heat or cool itself when the ambient environment is outside a certain narrow range. Sweating burns some calories, even if you're just sitting around. When we spend our time inside climate controlled rooms then we burn fewer calories. The effect is small, but measurable. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3975627/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3975627/
uoaei 9y ago
Anecdote time here, but spending some time in a steam room and then entering a cold bath, and doing this 3 times or so, feels like a great cardio workout without the muscle soreness. There's definitely a lot of energy expended, particularly by the circulatory system, in keeping one's core temperature more or less stable.

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mendelsd 9y ago

This is a UK article, and I'm going to post a UK-centric, male-centric comment (as a UK-based man), but I suspect my comment applies to both genders, and to many health systems around the world. I don't doubt exercise is extremely valuable, and that everyone should be following the advice in TFA. However, I am starting to think that lifestyle recommendations are a way for a public health system to wash its hands of its responsibility to actually, proactively care for people. As in: “Well, we're sure you can make changes on your own to improve your health, so just go and do your bit while we quietly neglect to do ours". Yes, you should exercise, and eat right, and not drink too much, and sleep right, and not stress too much. You should do as much as you reasonably can in all these areas. But if you're looking to "defy depression, disease and early death", you'd also better learn a bit about the way your health system operates, and the common issues it is inclined (presumably for cost reasons) to ignore. I've written in past comments about thyroid conditions, which are a big deal, and can easily go undiagnosed for a long time (due, basically, to cost-driven neglect). I'm becoming aware of more issues: 1) Testosterone: I’m a middle-aged man and I’ve been complaining to my GP for months about feeling weak while exercising, and about sleep disruption. I’ve been doing my own reading, and have just discovered that hypogonadism (inadequate testosterone levels) is incredibly common amongst middle-aged men: “Hypogonadism affects approximately 40% of men aged 45 or older, although less than 5% of these men are actually diagnosed and treated for the condition” [1]. Even discounting the fact that the author of this article declares that he consults for pharma companies, that’s a staggering statistic. So why given my symptoms do I have to ask my GP to check my testosterone levels, rather than him having ordered the test months ago? 2) Prolactin: it seems a very significant fraction of the population (e.g. 6-25% of the U. S. population) have pituitary tumours, forty percent of which produce prolactin [2], which is a sex hormone. There’s evidence that people whose prolactin levels are in the upper normal of the physiological reference range, suffer from insulin resistance [3] and have significantly increased risk of mortality [4]. Oh, and prolactin stimulates the immune system and high levels are associated with autoimmune diseases [5]. I had a test done for prolactin levels recently (I requested some tests to check for hypopituitarism), and levels came back quite high but in the normal physiological range (see above, of course). GP response: “no problem, levels are normal”. Which is true, in that I appear to be suffering from quite normal disease that the health system intends to do nothing about. Bottom line: Do your homework, folks. View your health service as a resource, a gateway to services. When it comes to chronic conditions and diseases of old age, you (or nobody) are the principal investigator. [1] http://www.bcmj.org/articles/testosterone-deficiency-practical-guidelines-diagnosis-and-treatment http://www.bcmj.org/articles/testosterone-deficiency-practic... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactinoma#Epidemiology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactinoma#Epidemiology [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28384295 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28384295 [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22843444 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22843444 [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16411065 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16411065

dalkishna 9y ago

I'm a great fan of my daily walk. So not saying this is necessarily wrong. But there's no theory! e.g. mental health isn't understood, so whether exercise is of lasting benefit in that department is unclear. Consider that people pay good money to sit for a week or more to try to elevate their well-being. Consider that athletes have their fair share of mental health issues, and that even top athletes live less than 3 years longer than average. (Which seems like a small difference.) Consider that people who move about constantly will eventually drop dead of heart failure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518 Examples such as this are perhaps misleading edge cases. But theory would give some insight into why they are misleading. At present we are blind.

mjcohen 9y ago

Improv.

quadcore 9y ago

Just in case you need to read this again, exercise changed my life. It simply get rid of the fatigue. Dont take drugs to stay awake, go run half an hour (it really doesn't take more than that to feel tremendous effects).

_alias 9y ago
Definitely. I've recently started exercising more. My bare minimum commitment to myself is to walk a half an hour a day. I regularly do more, but if I only do 30 minutes I don't feel guilty. No matter how long of a day I've had, I'm never too tired to walk for 30 minutes. It's also a good way to build self control through habit.
DoodleBuggy 9y ago
Indeed, an early morning run or swim will wake you up better than caffeine will.
- closeparen 9y ago
  As can being beaten with a baseball bat or shocked with a cattle prod, but fortunately we’ve found a mechanism other than pain.
StavrosK 9y ago
I started playing tennis twice a week (would like to do it three times but those are the group times) and I love the difference. Aches have completely gone away, and I feel much fitter overall.
closeparen 9y ago
I would rate my life satisfaction as at least moderate, but is nothing about being alive that could possibly justify the experience of exercise, particularly of running. Given the choice between a lifetime of regular running or death, I’d choose death without even blinking.
- michaelhoney 9y ago

jcousins 9y ago

I reversed diabetes with diet alone by doing my own research[1], taking charge of my health. I lost 180lbs in the process. No exercise (disabled). Very much a work in progress. I'm not rejecting the importance of exercise for health - I follow the general principal of eating to get healthy, exercising to get fit - but I think we skip over the absolute tragedy that is the Standard American Diet at our peril. Recovering from the consuequences of three/four generations of preaching the lipid hypothesis[2], as fast as we damn well can, is the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death. [1] http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2015/9/5/fat-emperor-productions-present-the-kraft-interview-decoding-diabetes http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2015/9/5/fat-emperor-produ... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis

throwaway0255 9y ago
I'm on the same track as you, I've lost about 80lbs so far and I've done zero exercise. I've found that when I tell people this, they worry about my health even more than they did when I was 80lbs heavier. It's bizarre. Never mind the fact that my blood pressure is now a pristine 110 over 70, all my pre-diabetic symptoms have disappeared, my sleep apnea is cured, my gastroesophageal reflux disease is completely gone, my cholesterol and triglycerides are back to normal, etc. The fact is exercise has an almost negligible impact on weight loss. Let's be very generous and say an hour of typical exercise burns 350 calories. If you're overweight, compare that to the 120 calories you burn per hour spent sitting in your chair. That's an extra 230 calories you burned by exercising for an hour. That 230 calorie expenditure costs you: * 1.5 to 2 hours of disruption to your daily life * An hour spent being extremely bored and uncomfortable * An ever-growing amount of generalized aches and joint pains as you put together consecutive days of doing this And at 230 calories per hour, doing an hour of exercise every single day nets you 1610 calories per week, which is less than 1 pound of fat loss every 2 weeks. You turn your whole life upside-down, make yourself miserable and in pain every single day, take significant time away from work and studying and family, and all you get is LESS THAN 1 additional pound lost every 2 weeks. I honestly think the net impact of promoting exercise as a weight loss option is people getting and staying fatter. People have a tendency to dramatically overestimate the calories they're burning, people want to use exercise as a way to avoid having to eat less, and people use exercise as an excuse to eat more. It also causes an amount of disruption and discomfort in people's lives that's probably the number one cause of people giving up on their weight loss goals. As far as health impacts, I'm still not convinced on the cause-and-effect here. I want to start doing some physical activities soon, but that's not going to cause me to be less depressed, that's a result of me being less depressed because of all the weight I've been losing. All the studies I've seen on exercise and health draw the same sort of "playing basketball makes you taller"-conclusion.

jedrek 9y ago

I think it's amazing the way we've completely sidelined physical activity - not exercise per se, but any physical activity - in our western lives. Unless you live without a car, there is no requirement for you to walk more than 1000 steps during the day. Wake up, drive to work, sit at your desk, drive to a restaurant for dinner, drive home, plop down on your couch. Rinse, repeat. Even if you do decide to work out, it tends to be the first thing you drop when you don't have time. Or you worked late. Or you forget your gym clothes. Or you're just too exhausted to go. We used to be active, our jobs required motion, we had to walk or cycle to work, or even take public transportation - which requires you to at least walk to the stop and back. Now we literally sit on our asses, day in, day out, and wonder why so many people are obese.

DoodleBuggy 9y ago
> We used to be active Being fit, or at least not fat, was also a cultural priority until relatively recently.
- jedrek 9y ago
  The cultural priority in the 1950s was to not be thin.
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Boothroid 9y ago
But especially so in the US in comparison to Europe - in the US the urban form implicitly precludes walking through low density of housing and lack what we call pavement in the UK, whereas in Europe more people live in settlements that are focused on an identifiable centre, with walking routes to that centre. Even worse, in some places in the US walking is explicitly banned! However even in spite of that we manage in Europe to be following the US in porking out as a population, so I guess we must be walking less over here also. Personally I find myself walking less and less these days because I can feel the diesel soot making my chest tight, and that really cannot be good for my health. The sooner they get rid of diesel the better.

frankzander 9y ago

It's great to have a dog that will be walked every day on every weather. Ok if you have a cold it's not such a great thing but as a desk worker you must go out and walk at least one hour per day around.

DoodleBuggy 9y ago
I agree with this. If you like animals and are responsible enough to have what amounts to a light version of a child, then dogs are excellent for encouraging activity since they require daily walks.
- frankzander 9y ago
  "light version of a child" is funny :) It's like a child but without the stress ;)
  - musage 9y ago
    I agree and disagree. A well-treated animal does require attention and some effort, but I agree it causes no stress, to the contrary. But they're like children who never grow up and will always need you or someone who loves them from the bottom of their heart when you're gone (maybe not so much with, say, lizards, but certainly with dogs and to a lesser degree cats). I don't mean this as a negative per se, I just needed to say that as soon as I saw "light version of a child". When my cats died, I thought what it might be like to have children, and I nearly swooned. But then I thought how much better it is for them to have lived a full life and die on me, than the other way around, and that's certainly not how it would feel with children.
nradov 9y ago
Yes since I bought a dog 3 years ago I walk or run with her almost every day and I'm definitely fitter for it.
Boothroid 9y ago
Sometimes it winds me up to have to do it, but I can't not do it or the poor dog ends up miserable. It's the perfect way to force yourself to do at least a minimum every day.

spodek 9y ago

I agree with the article but put it differently. To say exercise lowers depression, disease, and death normalizes inactivity. You can define normal how you want, but I prefer to think of exercise as normal and that lack of it contributes to depression, disease, and death.

Waterluvian 9y ago

I've moved from an apartment to a house, which means I have two staircases I traverse daily, a small lawn to mow, and a few other things like that. It's amazing to me what even a slight bit of regular activity can do. It just feels good to be even a little active on a regular basis. I feel so much more ready to move.

seizethecheese 9y ago

For those still unconvinced, I'll add another anecdote to this thread. Morning exercise completely cured my intractable insomnia.

purplethinking 9y ago
Morning exercise specifically? How about lunch?
- seizethecheese 9y ago
  Lunch works too, but the earlier and the harder the better.
hackermailman 9y ago
Schools in Canada have kids work an exercise bike to get their heart rate up before class which helped eliminate disruptive behavior and being unable to concentrate on lessons. I tried it on myself in the morning before working through texts, definitely works. Now I have an elaborate spin bike setup, large TV playing lectures and a bluetooth headset to hear them. I ride the bike for the entire lecture, usually 45mins-1hr15mins, and recently incorporated interval training so whenever a student in the recorded lecture asks a question, it's always one that could have been answered by reading the assigned material beforehand like the student is supposed to do, so I go as hard as possible on the bike until the professor returns to the lecture. After I have no problems concentrating for another hour or so on the assigned reading or trying the proofs in the lecture notes whereas before I as always fidgety sitting for so long during a lecture not wanting to spend yet more time staring at proofs. I also agree with the other poster exercise usually doesn't equate weight loss since I didn't lose any weight until I started making my own food and avoiding all the takeout junk I was eating. Like everybody else I overestimated the amount of calories burned so feasted on huge pasta dishes and baguette sandwiches.

pjc50 9y ago

Just to avoid confusion, not all clinical depression is fully treatable by exercise; I've known several people who were severely depressed while also being non-car-owning regular cyclists. Sometimes antidepressants are required. Sometimes therapy is required. Please avoid turning this into "why don't you just exercise".

xj9 9y ago
"why don't you exercise?" is always a valid question tho; unless you are physically incapable of doing so, you should, and you're unquestionably damaging your health if you don't.
- legulere 9y ago
  Being depressed might prevent you from exercising.
  - seppin 9y ago
    > Being depressed might prevent you from exercising. Would being depressed prevent you from taking anti-depression medicine? Seeking help from a doctor?
    - baylisscg 9y ago
      Actually, yes. It's difficult to try and take control of a situation when simply doing all the things necessary to keep being alive is a challenge. Couple that with the social stigma of being diagnosed with mental problems and yes it's completely possible.
  - xj9 9y ago
    true. doesn't mean that you shouldn't. exercise is important for your health in general.
throwaway0255 9y ago
You can see this if you just look at the last few hundred years of human history. Humans used to have to engage in hours of labor every day just to survive. If the sun was up you were exercising. Were they so much happier and healthier? There are people in the world who still have to do that labor. They're not happier or healthier or longer-lived than the western world. In fact, the overall high-level trend appears to be that happiness is correlated with being sedentary. Correlation doesn't mean causation of course, but as long as articles like this one are going to imply that it does, I might as well point out that I can make the exact same argument in the opposite direction.

tomcam 9y ago

Exercise does nothing to lighten my mood. I hate exercise in virtually all forms. Never experienced the "runner's high" or any kind of apparent dopamine production (not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't ever feel better with exercise).

Noos 9y ago

These articles are such exquisite forms of class warfare that it approaches the sublime. 1. Upper class people seek to differentiate themselves from lower class people by status markers (like reading the guardian) 2. In the past, food was scarce, so upper class people were fat when lower class were lean, hence terms like "rubinesque beauty" or the figures of Botticelli's art. 3. Now food is common though, so the status marker is to be thin, because being thin shows you have leisure time to exercise, (you try being on your feet for 12 hours a day and then going to the gym), have money to eat the right kinds of food, and have the good form to have discipline not to eat when you need comfort (or in general need comfort). 4. but it's not enough to do it, the upper class needs their virtues reinforced. 5. Since the upper class is atheistic due to the lower class being religious (unless they are the right kind of religion, something either punishing to follow or neo-atheistic as it is), we must focus on the atheist's heaven, good health. 6. Your virtue in being thin is rewarded through lack of depression, disease, and long life! Your priestly newspaper has given you a scientific sermon. Think about this. Why is this article in the Guardian, who I'm willing to bet already exercise, eat well, etc? Wouldn't it be in the Daily Mail instead, if the point was to convince people to exercise? That's because it's there to reinforce the idea of exercise and thinness as a status marker among the Guardian readership. The same thing happens in lower class media too, on different subjects, but the upper class usually never even gets how they are being led around.

michaelhoney 9y ago
You realise that by rejecting health and exercise on political grounds, you are condemning the lower classes to shorter, unhappier lives? Good food and exercise really are good for your body and mind, whatever you think of those effete Guardian readers.

sigi45 9y ago

There is a simpler explaination to this: If you spend a few hours doing some exercise (changing cloth, showering, going to the sport area) you are not sitting alone, as usual in front of a display or in your couche. It distracts your mind from your negative thoughts. Also beeing able to walk normally and without pain, going up stairs etc. is a good and normal feeling. When you get older and those basic things stop working, that really sucks. Or being overweight when 'normal' things become tedious.