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Cool. So, where do you put that server? does it have sufficient power, AC, generators, UPS? How much does that cost per month? Who monitors that PC, and does

Cool. So, where do you put that server? does it have sufficient power, AC, generators, UPS? How much does that cost per month? Who monitors that PC, and does preventative maintenance, etc? If a part looks like its going to fail, where do you migrate your workload to, so you can take that server offline for repairs. (you need multiple servers) Since you have multiple servers, how much does your 40GB networking cost (with 100GB uplinks) so you aren't constrained by the network? And what kind of storage network do you have, so that you can live-migrate these running machines around to different machines? Lastly, if you co-locate the server somewhere, what does it cost for multiple redundant internet connections to the facility? And where is your failover facility, that is at least a few hundred miles away?

tgtweak 9y ago
It's also a very old CPU generation, and slower memory. They're great boxes for cheap on-prem etl clusters. I prefer sell R810s over those hps because they're 2U and have better power consumption with the same specs.
Nrsolis 9y ago
I think this is a very important point and one that many folks don't fully appreciate: The total cost of ownership of a computing asset is several times greater than the cost of the actual asset. Think of it this way: a dog can be obtained for a very nominal cost (or free) but the cost to house, feed, entertain, and provide healthcare for is non-trivial. it's not unheard of for just the costs of deploying a new device into a large organization to be something like EIGHT TIMES what the cost is for the actual asset. That's just to get the hardware deployed and NOT the cost to keep it running. Cutting down on TCO and streamlining the deployment of resources is a big part of the sell for cloud deployments. Particularly for computing assets that may otherwise spend a lot of their time idle.
- qaq 9y ago
  Right and all the bare metal providers like softlayer are probono orgs
  - tedivm 9y ago
    Softlayer's network is crap compared to google and aws. That being said in my previous company we used a combination of Softlayer (for dedicated machines) and AWS for cloud. There is definitely a use case for each, but as Nrsolis mentions there is additional cost in things beyond the cost of the initial hardware itself.
    - qaq 9y ago
      Not a Softlayer customer but hard to imagine network crappier than AWS.
      - tedivm 9y ago
        At least with AWS you get placement groups, which can help a lot. With Softlayer we saw entirely too much packet loss on a regular basis, and they try to upsell you on things to "fix" it.
        sitkack 9y ago
        default port speed was 100Mbps as of 10 months ago
cabaalis 9y ago
Thank you, I was looking for this comment. That is the value of the cloud: the reduction in TCO, the predictable pricing, up-time guarantees, and bandwidth availability.

tgtweak 9y ago

It's also a very old CPU generation, and slower memory. They're great boxes for cheap on-prem etl clusters. I prefer sell R810s over those hps because they're 2U and have better power consumption with the same specs.

Nrsolis 9y ago

I think this is a very important point and one that many folks don't fully appreciate: The total cost of ownership of a computing asset is several times greater than the cost of the actual asset. Think of it this way: a dog can be obtained for a very nominal cost (or free) but the cost to house, feed, entertain, and provide healthcare for is non-trivial. it's not unheard of for just the costs of deploying a new device into a large organization to be something like EIGHT TIMES what the cost is for the actual asset. That's just to get the hardware deployed and NOT the cost to keep it running. Cutting down on TCO and streamlining the deployment of resources is a big part of the sell for cloud deployments. Particularly for computing assets that may otherwise spend a lot of their time idle.

qaq 9y ago
Right and all the bare metal providers like softlayer are probono orgs
- tedivm 9y ago
  Softlayer's network is crap compared to google and aws. That being said in my previous company we used a combination of Softlayer (for dedicated machines) and AWS for cloud. There is definitely a use case for each, but as Nrsolis mentions there is additional cost in things beyond the cost of the initial hardware itself.
  - qaq 9y ago
    Not a Softlayer customer but hard to imagine network crappier than AWS.
    - tedivm 9y ago
      At least with AWS you get placement groups, which can help a lot. With Softlayer we saw entirely too much packet loss on a regular basis, and they try to upsell you on things to "fix" it.
      - sitkack 9y ago
        default port speed was 100Mbps as of 10 months ago

cabaalis 9y ago

Thank you, I was looking for this comment. That is the value of the cloud: the reduction in TCO, the predictable pricing, up-time guarantees, and bandwidth availability.