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Fn and Ctrl are the wrong way around. My laptop also got pgup and pgdn in those position, but they have a slightly different shape than the up key. I flipped t

Fn and Ctrl are the wrong way around. My laptop also got pgup and pgdn in those position, but they have a slightly different shape than the up key. I flipped them with Home and End with seems to be a somewhat popular thing to do. Works much better for me. The 1920x1080 resolution is a bit disappointing. Crispy text needs more DPI.

tejohnso 9y ago
I share your disappointment with the resolution. 1920x1080 is at the low end of acceptability. I'm at 2560x1440 on the Carbon X1 and I won't go back. I never understood your side of the Ctrl / Fn placement argument though. Why would you want the left side Ctrl key to be further from center than the right side Ctrl key? And why would you want a more rarely used key (Fn) to be closer to center?
- SippinLean 9y ago
  Because I'm used to Ctrl being the outermost key on desktop keyboards
  - zeveb 9y ago
    But that's really an incorrect position for it. The most commonly used keys should be easiest to hit (hence the Command key on Macs being right next to the spacebar). Since Control is used more often then Alt, Control should be immediately next to the spacebar, then Alt, then Function.
    - GrayShade 9y ago
      I always press Ctrl with the side of my palm. It's much easier than using my pinky.
      - qu4z-2 9y ago
        Me too, and alt with my thumb. It drives me insane when Ctrl is not the outermost key.
        GrayShade 9y ago
        Exactly!
    - SippinLean 9y ago
      Incorrect? It's a personal preference, I find it easy to hit with my pinky. Pressing Cmd+Z on Mac means pinching my thumb and ring finger together, Cmd+V means crossing my left index finger over my thumb; neither are more comfortable than using my pinky. I personally remap Command to the Control key on my OSX boxes for this very reason.
    - always_good 9y ago
      In my opinion, it's easy to hit cmd because it's the key right next to the spacebar and thus easy to find, not because it's close to the center. It's easy to hit the bottom-leftmost key because it's also easy to find. And your pinky doesn't need to reach towards the center. Meanwhile I can't consistently hit the keys between them because there's no real reference position. I'm often off by one, hit between them, and generally have to look at the keyboard. For that reason I never use the ctrl button on the macbook and instead bind it to capslock. I find that ctrl is at just about the worst place on the keyboard where it currently is on the macbook. My hands can span the entire keyboard, so "close to the center" isn't an optimization for the same reason that it would probably slow you down if the most commonly used english letters were clustered together in one spot.
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fencepost 9y ago
Fn and Ctrl positioning seem to be like vi vs emacs, but every ThinkPad from the Tx10 series on seems to support swapping those as a BIOS option - and a hacked firmware and instructions were available for my old W500 to do the same.
eveningcoffee 9y ago
Add it is not a matte screen. Antiglare what ever is not a matte screen. If anything then nobody asked for this.
Stratoscope 9y ago
They didn't change the Fn/Ctrl order for this model. Every ThinkPad since they first added the Fn key, including the older models with the classic keyboard, has had them in this order, so why would they switch them now? And as fencepost mentioned, you can swap them in the BIOS. Definitely agree on the resolution. It's one of the two reasons I'm not ordering a T25, as it would be a massive downgrade from the high-DPI displays on my ThinkPad Yoga 460 and MacBook Pro Retina 15". I used the MBPR as my main Windows machine for a couple of years even though I had a perfectly good ThinkPad W520 with twice the memory and twice the SSD storage. Even though I missed the ThinkPad key layout and especially the TrackPoint, the MBPR's high-DPI display made up for it. When I switched back to a ThinkPad this year, I made sure it was a high-DPI model. The other reason I didn't order, surprisingly enough, is the keyboard layout. It's fairly obvious that the T25 is a one-off hobby machine and there is no intention to continue offering the classic keyboard. At this point I've made my peace with the 6-row keyboards, and even though I'd prefer the classic 7-row, what good would it do me to switch back to it for the next couple of years and then have to switch back to a 6-row on my next ThinkPad?

tejohnso 9y ago

I share your disappointment with the resolution. 1920x1080 is at the low end of acceptability. I'm at 2560x1440 on the Carbon X1 and I won't go back. I never understood your side of the Ctrl / Fn placement argument though. Why would you want the left side Ctrl key to be further from center than the right side Ctrl key? And why would you want a more rarely used key (Fn) to be closer to center?

SippinLean 9y ago
Because I'm used to Ctrl being the outermost key on desktop keyboards
- zeveb 9y ago
  But that's really an incorrect position for it. The most commonly used keys should be easiest to hit (hence the Command key on Macs being right next to the spacebar). Since Control is used more often then Alt, Control should be immediately next to the spacebar, then Alt, then Function.
  - GrayShade 9y ago
    I always press Ctrl with the side of my palm. It's much easier than using my pinky.
    - qu4z-2 9y ago
      Me too, and alt with my thumb. It drives me insane when Ctrl is not the outermost key.
      - GrayShade 9y ago
        Exactly!
  - SippinLean 9y ago
    Incorrect? It's a personal preference, I find it easy to hit with my pinky. Pressing Cmd+Z on Mac means pinching my thumb and ring finger together, Cmd+V means crossing my left index finger over my thumb; neither are more comfortable than using my pinky. I personally remap Command to the Control key on my OSX boxes for this very reason.
  - always_good 9y ago
    In my opinion, it's easy to hit cmd because it's the key right next to the spacebar and thus easy to find, not because it's close to the center. It's easy to hit the bottom-leftmost key because it's also easy to find. And your pinky doesn't need to reach towards the center. Meanwhile I can't consistently hit the keys between them because there's no real reference position. I'm often off by one, hit between them, and generally have to look at the keyboard. For that reason I never use the ctrl button on the macbook and instead bind it to capslock. I find that ctrl is at just about the worst place on the keyboard where it currently is on the macbook. My hands can span the entire keyboard, so "close to the center" isn't an optimization for the same reason that it would probably slow you down if the most commonly used english letters were clustered together in one spot.
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fencepost 9y ago

Fn and Ctrl positioning seem to be like vi vs emacs, but every ThinkPad from the Tx10 series on seems to support swapping those as a BIOS option - and a hacked firmware and instructions were available for my old W500 to do the same.

eveningcoffee 9y ago

Add it is not a matte screen. Antiglare what ever is not a matte screen. If anything then nobody asked for this.

Stratoscope 9y ago

They didn't change the Fn/Ctrl order for this model. Every ThinkPad since they first added the Fn key, including the older models with the classic keyboard, has had them in this order, so why would they switch them now? And as fencepost mentioned, you can swap them in the BIOS. Definitely agree on the resolution. It's one of the two reasons I'm not ordering a T25, as it would be a massive downgrade from the high-DPI displays on my ThinkPad Yoga 460 and MacBook Pro Retina 15". I used the MBPR as my main Windows machine for a couple of years even though I had a perfectly good ThinkPad W520 with twice the memory and twice the SSD storage. Even though I missed the ThinkPad key layout and especially the TrackPoint, the MBPR's high-DPI display made up for it. When I switched back to a ThinkPad this year, I made sure it was a high-DPI model. The other reason I didn't order, surprisingly enough, is the keyboard layout. It's fairly obvious that the T25 is a one-off hobby machine and there is no intention to continue offering the classic keyboard. At this point I've made my peace with the 6-row keyboards, and even though I'd prefer the classic 7-row, what good would it do me to switch back to it for the next couple of years and then have to switch back to a 6-row on my next ThinkPad?