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I beleive the killer app on this kind of devices is WhatsApp, as most other stuff like Facebook or Instagram can be used through the browser before native apps

by gkya 9y ago

I beleive the killer app on this kind of devices is WhatsApp, as most other stuff like Facebook or Instagram can be used through the browser before native apps are provided. But WhatsApp is so omnipresent that convincing them to make an app for your platform would really help. Maybe if Ubuntu Phone managed to get a native WhatsApp client, it would have held on.

znpy 9y ago
If this phone lands and has no whatsapp, I will buy one and switch definitively to Telegram. Telegram is nice, works everywhere, the protocol is open, clean and relatively easy to implement. I also will make the rest of the family switch to Telegram. I am sure that as long as they are able to write message to each other, they will be fine with it. Quite frankly, the main advantage of Whatsapp over Telegram is that it is more widely adopted. But beside that, not much.
- gkya 9y ago
  > Quite frankly, the main advantage of Whatsapp over Telegram is that it is more widely adopted. But beside that, not much. Thing is I (and I guess most people) don't want to do app evangelism, but just use the existing communication protocols my peers use. People in your network will have their own networks, and so on, and telling them to quit them networks or to add another app to their phone is going to annoy them.
  - znpy 9y ago
    If you read carefully (something I strongly advise you to do) you will find out that I was talking about my family: they trust my judgement and I can bring them very good reasons for what I propose. Regarding my other contacts' networks: I certainly do not impose other people what app to use, but at the same time I have no interest in doing something (e.g.: running an app I honestly don't like) just because everybody is doing it. In all honesty, if someone has something to tell me or I have something to tell someone, we will surely find a way to communicate. Keep in mind that, at least for now, all mobile phones can make phone calls and send text messages (at least to negotiate other means of communication).
- zeratax 9y ago
  Biggest advantage in my eyes is actually proven end to end encryption based on the signal protocol. Considering that the libre 5 will be the first matrix native phone, maybe get them to switch to matrix instead, which is actually open source in both clients and server and has encryption with an actual security assessment. still no stickers though...
opencl 9y ago
Is WhatsApp really "omnipresent"? Maybe it's a regional thing. I know zero people that use it, or at least zero people that use it to talk to me. Everyone I know uses either Telegram or LINE or just plain old SMS. Stuff like Facebook and Instagram can be used in browser but are missing basic features on their mobile web versions and constantly yell at you through popups to use to the app instead. Hopefully the popups at least don't occur on platforms that don't have the app available. Facebook for example recently removed Messenger from their mobile web version to make people install the app.

by gkya 9y ago

znpy 9y ago

If this phone lands and has no whatsapp, I will buy one and switch definitively to Telegram. Telegram is nice, works everywhere, the protocol is open, clean and relatively easy to implement. I also will make the rest of the family switch to Telegram. I am sure that as long as they are able to write message to each other, they will be fine with it. Quite frankly, the main advantage of Whatsapp over Telegram is that it is more widely adopted. But beside that, not much.

gkya 9y ago
> Quite frankly, the main advantage of Whatsapp over Telegram is that it is more widely adopted. But beside that, not much. Thing is I (and I guess most people) don't want to do app evangelism, but just use the existing communication protocols my peers use. People in your network will have their own networks, and so on, and telling them to quit them networks or to add another app to their phone is going to annoy them.
- znpy 9y ago
  If you read carefully (something I strongly advise you to do) you will find out that I was talking about my family: they trust my judgement and I can bring them very good reasons for what I propose. Regarding my other contacts' networks: I certainly do not impose other people what app to use, but at the same time I have no interest in doing something (e.g.: running an app I honestly don't like) just because everybody is doing it. In all honesty, if someone has something to tell me or I have something to tell someone, we will surely find a way to communicate. Keep in mind that, at least for now, all mobile phones can make phone calls and send text messages (at least to negotiate other means of communication).
zeratax 9y ago
Biggest advantage in my eyes is actually proven end to end encryption based on the signal protocol. Considering that the libre 5 will be the first matrix native phone, maybe get them to switch to matrix instead, which is actually open source in both clients and server and has encryption with an actual security assessment. still no stickers though...

opencl 9y ago

Is WhatsApp really "omnipresent"? Maybe it's a regional thing. I know zero people that use it, or at least zero people that use it to talk to me. Everyone I know uses either Telegram or LINE or just plain old SMS. Stuff like Facebook and Instagram can be used in browser but are missing basic features on their mobile web versions and constantly yell at you through popups to use to the app instead. Hopefully the popups at least don't occur on platforms that don't have the app available. Facebook for example recently removed Messenger from their mobile web version to make people install the app.