> what we've come to know as OO is more directly descended from Simula True, what is often called object oriented is often more about classes and inheritance,

> what we've come to know as OO is more directly descended from Simula True, what is often called object oriented is often more about classes and inheritance, and less about (instantiated) objects communicating via messages. It's really rather odd how Smalltalk, Strongtalk and Self could be major influences behind the jvm, jre and java - when you look at were java ended up... [ed: on the other hand if you start with Self and add Algol syntax you get javascript - maybe it makes sense that Strongtalk and Algol makes java...]