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Net neutrality was dead the moment Trump won the election. Pai was specifically chosen in order to repeal it. Public comments and hearings and reports are all t

by hsod 9y ago

Net neutrality was dead the moment Trump won the election. Pai was specifically chosen in order to repeal it. Public comments and hearings and reports are all theater. If we wanted Net Neutrality to stick around, we shouldn't have elected a President who openly opposes it (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/532608358508167168?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716...).

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shmerl 9y ago
Really, this shouldn't be even decided by the President. It should be the matter of law. The problem is that Congress is completely dysfunctional in this regard, so we shouldn't expect any improvement here. It's a very perverted situation, when policy on anti-trust is drafted by the executive branch.
dgllghr 9y ago
While Pai and the FCC will do whatever they can to repeal Net Neutrality, the FCC operates with well defined stipulations. Once the FCC repeals Net Neutrality, it will be sued. And when it is sued, the burden will be on the FCC to prove that they had good reason to repeal Net Neutrality. That is why these public comments are so important, not because of Pai's actions, but because of the court case that will follow. If the prosecutors can show that the FCC did not act within the best interest of consumers, there is a very good chance that Net Neutrality will remain law. Congressman Don Beyer did a very helpful town hall on the subject along with former Chairman Wheeler and former FCC General Counsel Jon Sallet: https://www.facebook.com/RepDonBeyer/videos/1940174359562352/ https://www.facebook.com/RepDonBeyer/videos/1940174359562352... (the video is long but very informative).
- shmerl 9y ago
  Pai and his ISP masters know that. That probably was their plan all along. Get sued, then ask the Congress to pass a "law" that would "put the debate to rest", while not actually preventing any anti-competitive abuse because of all the holes in that law. Given current situation in the Congress you should expect that. The same Congress just voted for Pai.
  - r00fus 9y ago
    GOP needs a solid defeat in 2018 or the Internet will become a lot more "comcastic".
    - EGreg 9y ago
      That's what they said in 2016 but fewer people turned out to vote against Donald Trump than against Romney or McCain. And also GOP picked up a lot of senate seats.
    - shmerl 9y ago
      I think the only way to really prevent that is strong and disruptive competition that will spook all the current slumbering monopolists. Google Fiber pretended to aim at that, but now it slowed to a crawl (it did cause some good ripple effects). Will Starlink from SpaceX fix it? Who knows, but I have little expectation from the Congress to do anything of value about it. When was the last time they did something good about technology polices? DMCA-1201 and CFAA aren't repealed. There is no meaningful copyright reform on the horizon, and so on. Net Neutrality will be another victim of this dysfunction.
      - X86BSD 9y ago
        Yeah, google jumped in way over their head with fiber. They didn't know what they were getting into. And their cloud-based TV service is a tire fire.
        shmerl 9y ago
        > Yeah, google jumped in way over their head with fiber. They didn't know what they were getting into. They should have known it's a very long term investment. Why were they surprised that it takes time to build up the network? I'm more upset about their reaction, than about the fact that they didn't plan it better. They can make it all successful, but it's long term. Looks like they are affected by short term investors more now.
        9y ago
- rhino369 9y ago
  The Supreme Court already heard this issue in the mid 2000s and found the FCC could regulate ISPs as title 1. They could reconsider, but I doubt they will.
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- dpierce9 9y ago
  Not a lawyer but I worked for a different agency. The burden is incredibly high here because courts provide a considerable amount of 'deference' (See Chevron Deference or Chevron v NRDC) to agencies as long as they follow the rules of the Administrative Procedures Act and their interpretation of the law is not off the wall.
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sova 9y ago
Net Neutrality is part of Freedom of Speech and I will not waive my right so thoughtlessly simply because a different human sits behind a respected desk.
knodi 9y ago
We didn't he and the GOP cheated their way in.
craftyguy 9y ago
If it's any consolation, donald frequently contradicts himself.

by hsod 9y ago

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shmerl 9y ago

Really, this shouldn't be even decided by the President. It should be the matter of law. The problem is that Congress is completely dysfunctional in this regard, so we shouldn't expect any improvement here. It's a very perverted situation, when policy on anti-trust is drafted by the executive branch.

dgllghr 9y ago

While Pai and the FCC will do whatever they can to repeal Net Neutrality, the FCC operates with well defined stipulations. Once the FCC repeals Net Neutrality, it will be sued. And when it is sued, the burden will be on the FCC to prove that they had good reason to repeal Net Neutrality. That is why these public comments are so important, not because of Pai's actions, but because of the court case that will follow. If the prosecutors can show that the FCC did not act within the best interest of consumers, there is a very good chance that Net Neutrality will remain law. Congressman Don Beyer did a very helpful town hall on the subject along with former Chairman Wheeler and former FCC General Counsel Jon Sallet: https://www.facebook.com/RepDonBeyer/videos/1940174359562352/ https://www.facebook.com/RepDonBeyer/videos/1940174359562352... (the video is long but very informative).

shmerl 9y ago
Pai and his ISP masters know that. That probably was their plan all along. Get sued, then ask the Congress to pass a "law" that would "put the debate to rest", while not actually preventing any anti-competitive abuse because of all the holes in that law. Given current situation in the Congress you should expect that. The same Congress just voted for Pai.
- r00fus 9y ago
  GOP needs a solid defeat in 2018 or the Internet will become a lot more "comcastic".
  - EGreg 9y ago
    That's what they said in 2016 but fewer people turned out to vote against Donald Trump than against Romney or McCain. And also GOP picked up a lot of senate seats.
  - shmerl 9y ago
    I think the only way to really prevent that is strong and disruptive competition that will spook all the current slumbering monopolists. Google Fiber pretended to aim at that, but now it slowed to a crawl (it did cause some good ripple effects). Will Starlink from SpaceX fix it? Who knows, but I have little expectation from the Congress to do anything of value about it. When was the last time they did something good about technology polices? DMCA-1201 and CFAA aren't repealed. There is no meaningful copyright reform on the horizon, and so on. Net Neutrality will be another victim of this dysfunction.
    - X86BSD 9y ago
      Yeah, google jumped in way over their head with fiber. They didn't know what they were getting into. And their cloud-based TV service is a tire fire.
      - shmerl 9y ago
        > Yeah, google jumped in way over their head with fiber. They didn't know what they were getting into. They should have known it's a very long term investment. Why were they surprised that it takes time to build up the network? I'm more upset about their reaction, than about the fact that they didn't plan it better. They can make it all successful, but it's long term. Looks like they are affected by short term investors more now.
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rhino369 9y ago
The Supreme Court already heard this issue in the mid 2000s and found the FCC could regulate ISPs as title 1. They could reconsider, but I doubt they will.
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dpierce9 9y ago
Not a lawyer but I worked for a different agency. The burden is incredibly high here because courts provide a considerable amount of 'deference' (See Chevron Deference or Chevron v NRDC) to agencies as long as they follow the rules of the Administrative Procedures Act and their interpretation of the law is not off the wall.

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sova 9y ago

Net Neutrality is part of Freedom of Speech and I will not waive my right so thoughtlessly simply because a different human sits behind a respected desk.

knodi 9y ago

We didn't he and the GOP cheated their way in.

craftyguy 9y ago

If it's any consolation, donald frequently contradicts himself.