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http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/6/9/e006579 http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/6/9/e006579 "Acute exposure to electronic cigarettes with nicotine increase

http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/6/9/e006579 http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/6/9/e006579 "Acute exposure to electronic cigarettes with nicotine increases cardiac sympathetic nerve activity in a pattern of heart rate variability that recapitulates the same heart rate variability pattern associated with increased cardiac risk in multiple populations with and without known cardiac disease." I'm not arguing that e-cigs may not be healthier than smoking tobacco for a current smoker trying to quit. But they are lulling people into a false sense of safety which may be even more dangerous in the long run.

wutbrodo 9y ago
Your claim above is much stronger than what the study suggests (though it does at least point in the same direction). > Most people don't realize that it's not really the smoke and lung cancer that leads to a majority of smoking deaths. It's the cardiovascular effects of nicotine leading to heart disease. As described downthread, they keep finding associations that indicate that nicotine/heart disease associations may occur. But when they actually study the association, the association consistently fails to materialize. I'm quite sure that your claim is flat wrong as stated.
- Aloha 9y ago
  Agreed - most people attribute the effects of smoking to nicotine, when it should be attributed to inhaling the products of combustion.
  - Obi_Juan_Kenobi 9y ago
    There are also particular compounds in cured tobacco that are dangerous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco-specific_nitrosamines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco-specific_nitrosamines
    - Aloha 9y ago
      I'd have to dig around to find it - but Snuff and chewing tobacco manufacturers actually changed their manufacturing process to being their product nitrosamine levels within the standard europe uses for snus production.
dekhn 9y ago
Like the other responder: you took a medical article and tried to make a conclusion about human health that is not really warranted.
mistercow 9y ago
"Could be even more dangerous in the long run" is about on the same level of plausibility as vaping actually being healthier than not smoking or vaping. Sure, it's possible, but there's no good reason to think it's true.

wutbrodo 9y ago

Your claim above is much stronger than what the study suggests (though it does at least point in the same direction). > Most people don't realize that it's not really the smoke and lung cancer that leads to a majority of smoking deaths. It's the cardiovascular effects of nicotine leading to heart disease. As described downthread, they keep finding associations that indicate that nicotine/heart disease associations may occur. But when they actually study the association, the association consistently fails to materialize. I'm quite sure that your claim is flat wrong as stated.

Aloha 9y ago
Agreed - most people attribute the effects of smoking to nicotine, when it should be attributed to inhaling the products of combustion.
- Obi_Juan_Kenobi 9y ago
  There are also particular compounds in cured tobacco that are dangerous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco-specific_nitrosamines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco-specific_nitrosamines
  - Aloha 9y ago
    I'd have to dig around to find it - but Snuff and chewing tobacco manufacturers actually changed their manufacturing process to being their product nitrosamine levels within the standard europe uses for snus production.

dekhn 9y ago

Like the other responder: you took a medical article and tried to make a conclusion about human health that is not really warranted.

mistercow 9y ago

"Could be even more dangerous in the long run" is about on the same level of plausibility as vaping actually being healthier than not smoking or vaping. Sure, it's possible, but there's no good reason to think it's true.