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Switching to e-cigarettes could save 6.6M American smokers
- Ascetik 9y agoI use nasal snuff, the least damaging and least intrusive form of tobacco use. I vaped pretty hardcore for 3 or 4 years, it definitely has an effect on your lungs, especially if you're into dual-coil sub-ohm builds and all that jazz. Nasal snuff has been a God-send and is much more enjoyable, at least to me. I still smoke a nice briar pipe with a few different pipe tobacco blends on occasion, but nasal snuff has definitely curbed my tobacco/nicotine usage. I could never go back to cigarettes and dip is just kind of gross, although I think it's better than cigarettes.
- josefresco 9y agoTIL ... about Nasal Snuff. Didn't even know this was a thing - do you get weird looks in public?
- adrianN 9y agoHave you tried Snus? The Wikipedia page makes it sound relatively safe for a tobacco product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus
- wu_tang_chris 9y agoWhat is a brand of nasal snuff you'd recommend?
- Ascetik 9y agoAnything by Poschl, Wilsons of Sharrow, or Ozona. There are many good brands though. Some of the recipes date back to the 1700's. In the states it is harder to get snuff though unless you want an American Scotch, which is smokey flavored, they are ok, but the Euro snuffs are much more enjoyable. https://www.mrsnuff.com https://www.mrsnuff.com is the site I use for getting European snuffs in the states.
- joelhaasnoot 9y ago"Cold turkey is best way to quit smoking, study says" http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/15/health/quit-smoking-cold-turkey/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/15/health/quit-smoking-cold-t... Not convinced switching people to a just as addicting, just as nasty way of killing themselves slowly is any better.
- albertgoeswoof 9y agoDid you read either article? The CNN one you link to was a study that compared cold turkey vs gradually scaling down. > "Researchers looked at nearly 700 long-term heavy smokers in England who wanted to kick the habit. They instructed half of the participants to quit abruptly -- that is, pick a quit day when they would give up smoking entirely. The other half were told to scale back their cigarettes gradually for two weeks leading up to their quit day. > But even the abrupt-quit group was not exactly going it alone. The researchers gave them nicotine patches to use for two weeks before their quit day. During this period, the gradual group also got patches, as well as gum, lozenges and other types of short-acting nicotine replacement therapy to help them as they cut back. After the quit day, both groups got patches and short-acting therapy, in addition to counseling. " This link refers to smokers switching to e-cigarettes, which is considering significantly less harmful than normal cigarettes, e.g. https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/e-cigarettes-95-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report/ https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/e-cigarettes-95-less...
- joelhaasnoot 9y agoDid read both articles. Not an expert by any means on smoking, but often e-cigarettes are also a way to quit by scaling back the nicotine content in the cartridge.
- Lewton 9y agoNicotine is not the only addictive drug in cigarettes It is in ecigs
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- dsschnau 9y agovaping definitely isn't healthy but it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. i still want to quit nicotine entirely one day but until that day comes, my vape pen and i are good friends. 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette.
- Alex3917 9y ago> it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. At least for commercial cigarettes. It's less clear how large the benefit would be for those smoking pipes or cigars, hookahs, using wild tobacco, freebasing tobacco, etc.
- heelhook 9y agoGenuinely curious; what's keeping you from quitting altogether? Is quitting a priority for you?
- Xophmeister 9y ago> 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette. Looks like he's doing pretty well. Nicotine is extremely addictive. One does not just quit smoking.
- justin66 9y ago> One does not just quit smoking. Plenty of people do.
- gozur88 9y agoIt used to be most people who quit permanently did so by going cold turkey. That was true even after patches and gums, but I'm not sure if it's still true with vaping. Though I have a theory cold turkey quitting normally happens after a health scare of some variety. My father was a 45 year smoker and quit the day of his heart attack.
- mbroshi 9y agoFor those looking, I believe the actual research article is here: http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2017/08/30/tobaccocontrol-2017-053759 http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2017/08/30/tobac...
- alexanderstears 9y agoOur society's tendency to moralize or rationalize issues has made it tough to talk about harm reduction. Moralizers focus on the corrosive elements of addiction and rationalizers say that e-cigs are still harmful but they miss the point that many people who smoke e-cigs are better off than they would be if they used cigs to get their nicotine. E-cigs offer a better path to cessation through better control of the nicotine concentrations than cigs do, and e-cigs are probably one of the least harmful ways to get nicotine (and they're certainly cheaper than gum and patches). I was very disappointed that the Obama administration tried to apply such heavy-handed regulations to the industry, it has its place and I think we'd be better off tolerating e-cigs. Give people an alternative to caffeine. I think most productive people are dependent on some stimulant or at least most people find their productivity is enhanced through stimulation. Whether it's coffee, nicotine, or amphetamine, we should be honest about why people use it and focus on access that doesn't cause undue suffering.
- aphextron 9y ago>E-cigs offer a better path to cessation through better control of the nicotine concentrations than cigs do, and e-cigs are probably one of the least harmful ways to get nicotine (and they're certainly cheaper than gum and patches). Alternatively, e-cigs have made nicotine consumption cheaper, faster, more convenient, more socially acceptable, and available at much higher concentrations than tobacco. The aggregate being that nicotine addiction could very well increase overall, even if smoking rates drop. Most people don't realize that it's not really the smoke and lung cancer that leads to a majority of smoking deaths. It's the cardiovascular effects of nicotine leading to heart disease. Equating that to caffeine is ridiculous.
- mistercow 9y agoDo you have a source on that claim? I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the cardiovascular effects of smoking, and attributing all of those effects to nicotine, which is incorrect. Everything I've read on the subject indicates that nicotine's role in cardiovascular disease is quite minor.
- Myrmornis 9y agoI was disappointed to see that the city I live in (Oakland) had banned the sale of vaping materials and e-cigs, along with menthols and other flavored tobacco products, to "protect the children". I know many people who have stopped smoking real tobacco because of the introduction of gaping, so Oakland's decision just seems ignorant to me.
- davidf18 9y agoe-cigs are not the answer: See FDA [1]. An intervention that has proved effective for saving lives from tobacco use is MPOWER from the World Health Organization. Raise the cost of tobacco through taxes, ban smoking in public places, hard-hitting, scary, anti-smoking ads, doctors talking to their patients about quitting, nicotine replacement therapy, telephone counseling support. In NYC the age for purchase is 21 as it is nationwide for alcohol. In NYC, the minimum cost per pack is $13. [1] https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2016/08/protecting-the-public-and-especially-kids-from-the-dangers-of-tobacco-products-including-e-cigarettes-cigars-and-hookah-tobacco/ https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2016/08/protecting-...
- g00gler 9y agoI was a pack a day smoker for quite a few years and a quality e cig finally made my smoking habit much less compulsive. I almost made the switch 2 years prior but I wasn't allowed to use it in my private office so I figured what's the point? Call it habit or whatever but I still can't get as much work done at home when I'm not smoking so I consider it my weekend treat.
- j0rd 9y agoI quit smoking a while ago for 4 months using a vape, then Thailand's military junta banned them and most shops closed. It's been a couple years now and tonnes of online shops started to sell and I'd see lots of local vapers while having coffee, so decided to give that a go. It's been a month since I've had a cigarette now since I've started vaping. Energy is up and sense of smell is coming back. Used to smoke a pack a day. I do run the risk of deportation, jail or heavy fines/bribes if caught with the thing, but I feel it's worth it for health reasons. Also gov just increased tax from 130THB a pack to 150THB a pack.
- 11235813213455 9y agovaping for health reasons?
- gertef 9y agoVaping is illegal, but cigarettes are legal? Vaping is illegal, but also taxed?
- excalibur 9y agoSurely the taxes refer to cigarettes. Vaping equipment is sold in a variety of ways, but none of them are by the "pack".
- loeg 9y agoThe number is artificially inflated by multiplying by 10 years. It's 660,000 people a year, which is still a huge number.
- randyrand 9y agoI'd rather they represented the number a extra days alive. "Switching to vaping would bring XXXXXX more days of life to Americans". If those 660,000 people were on average 95+ years old and would have died soon later anyway, then "saving" their life has a much lesser meaning. Of course this isn't the case, but the statistic is not very helpful as a measure.
- burntrelish1273 9y agoYeah. I hate cigarette smoke with a passion but don't care if e-cigs puff all they want because it has almost no odor and little/no noxious particles. Therefore, it makes sense to tax the heck out of cigarettes and place them in anti-marketing packaging, and perhaps subsidize (no sales tax/VAT) e-cigs. Cigarettes are engineered to be as addictive as heroin, but Prohibition is never a good solution, so the best compromise is something like e-cigs which solves both harm-, litter and nuisance-reduction.
- randyrand 9y agoI wonder if this obsession with saving lives will end when we hit the maximum human capacity of Earth, sometime in the next 1000 years. Though perhaps we could be multi-solar-system by then.
- vivekd 9y agoEcigs have helped me quit smoking and they are the only thing that worked for me. However, out of all the smokers I know, I only know one other person who managed to quit smoking and stay quit with ecigs. The vast majority of people I know who tried ecigs kept smoking and eventually gave them altogether in favor of cigarettes