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FreeBSD 10.4-Release

142 points by tachion 9y ago

Bino 9y ago
If you can, you should consider updating to 11.1 instead.
- iamtew 9y ago
  Why?
  - hultner 9y ago
    One reason could be built in IPSEC (11) and NAT_T (11.1) but I see cases where people would like to stay on 10.x. I couldn't find anything about those extensions being enabled by default in 10.4.
    - Mister_Snuggles 9y ago
      This is my number one reason for moving to FreeBSD 11.1. FreeBSD 11.0 was weird because they enabled IPSEC, but did not enable NAT_T in the GENERIC kernel.
  - vertex-four 9y ago
    At least partially because you only have another year of support for FreeBSD 10.x, whereas FreeBSD 11.x is expected to be supported until 2021. This includes security fixes.
    - hhw 9y ago
      11.x may supported until 2021, but 11.1 itself will only be supported up until 11.2 is released + 3 months. So if 11.2 is released before the end of July 2018, then 10.4 which has an EOL of October 31st, 2017 would actually be supported for longer. Generally speaking, more conservative users will wait at least until the xx.1 point release before switching to that major version, but if you're on the very conservative side you may want to wait until xx.2. However, there are numerous updates even between minor point releases which you could apply if any errata are discovered if you don't mind.
      - vertex-four 9y ago
        Yes, but the point of point-releases is that they're largely about maintenance and hardware support - so moving from 10.x to 11.x might take some testing, maybe rewriting some management scripts, etc, but 11.1 to 11.2 should be easier since nothing major changes about the system. Having a year's buffer to migrate means that if there are issues, you can fix them or get them fixed before 10.x EOLs and you're stuck running an unsupported OS.
      - kchoudhu 9y ago
        You're supposed to upgrade to point releases pretty much immediately.
- gkya 9y ago
  I guess that's kind of obvious.
  - justin66 9y ago
    Nothing about FreeBSD release versioning is obvious.
    - ksec 9y ago
      If we use Windows Versioning Perspective. 10.4 = Versoin 10, Services Pack 4 11.1 = Version 11, Services Pack 1 At least that is how i think of it. Am I missing something? What isn't obvious about it?
      - ddhfdvsfji 9y ago
        Wtf is a services pack?
      - howard941 9y ago
        The 10 and 11 kernel ABIs differ
      - justin66 9y ago
        > At least that is how i think of it. Am I missing something? What isn't obvious about it? I think the number of times I've witnessed discussions over the decades regarding "which version of FreeBSD should I use?" numbers in the hundreds.
        takeda 9y ago
        The official answer to this is to use latest stable version for any new server. That means 11.1 right now. 10.4 is intended for individuals who are still running 10.x
        kqr 9y ago
        As far as I understand it, that is nothing more than an urban legend based on the fact that 5.0 was a terrible, rushed release and not meant for production (it was also marked as such). That mistake has not been repeated since, to my knowledge.
gkya 9y ago
Full release notes: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.4R/relnotes.html https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.4R/relnotes.html
kqr 9y ago
If you're on the edge about trying FreeBSD on some server instead of Linux, I strongly suggest diving in. I decided to go with FreeBSD on my home server after some back-and-forth, and it has been nothing but a thoroughly positive experience. - The structure of the system makes total sense to me, making it easy to do stuff. - The system is relatively simple in its design, which means I actually feel like I could troubleshoot any aspect of it. With Linux I often end up in a situation where I think, "Okay, and that component is in $complex_subsystem_12 so I have no chance of fixing it." - The documentation is great. For regular system maintenance, mostly everything you'll ever need is in the FreeBSD Handbook and you can often find separate, but equally complete, documents for more specific tasks like the Porter's Handbook, the Project Model documentation, the Developer's Handbook and the various system architecture/design books floating around.
- PeeryTwo 9y ago
  Latest Beta of Snort on FreeBSD has control-channel support now finally, making it easier to change the config without interrupting packet flows.
- teekert 9y ago
  I've been on the fence but tipped back. I'm also always on the fence about Arch vs Ubuntu. But the speed and ease with which you get an application like NextCloud fully running on Ubuntu is unmatched. I don't want to spend time tweaking php.ini (anymore), I just want to install nginx and php7 en find that <? phpinfo(); ?> just works. And when I want to VNC into the box for various reasons, I just want it to work and not mess with x configs or put up with very ugly theme-less windows. The BSD pull is there (even more from OpenBSD), I feel it, but after an evening of struggle I often revert back to Ubuntu LTS. I have run Gentoo on my server, back when I didn't have kids nor required regular sleep. Now I just want stuff to work and run after installing it. I want Snaps and Docker to just work after apt installing them.
  - kqr 9y ago
    > But the speed and ease with which you get an application like NextCloud fully running on Ubuntu is unmatched What cooled these worries for me was realising that if I know something to be much easier in Linux, it takes very little to launch a virtual machine and run it in that. So far it hasn't been needed!
butterisgood 9y ago
Is this release called "good buddy"?
sjbr 9y ago
There is a newer version for production: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE

142 points by tachion 9y ago

Bino 9y ago

If you can, you should consider updating to 11.1 instead.

iamtew 9y ago
Why?
- hultner 9y ago
  One reason could be built in IPSEC (11) and NAT_T (11.1) but I see cases where people would like to stay on 10.x. I couldn't find anything about those extensions being enabled by default in 10.4.
  - Mister_Snuggles 9y ago
    This is my number one reason for moving to FreeBSD 11.1. FreeBSD 11.0 was weird because they enabled IPSEC, but did not enable NAT_T in the GENERIC kernel.
- vertex-four 9y ago
  At least partially because you only have another year of support for FreeBSD 10.x, whereas FreeBSD 11.x is expected to be supported until 2021. This includes security fixes.
  - hhw 9y ago
    11.x may supported until 2021, but 11.1 itself will only be supported up until 11.2 is released + 3 months. So if 11.2 is released before the end of July 2018, then 10.4 which has an EOL of October 31st, 2017 would actually be supported for longer. Generally speaking, more conservative users will wait at least until the xx.1 point release before switching to that major version, but if you're on the very conservative side you may want to wait until xx.2. However, there are numerous updates even between minor point releases which you could apply if any errata are discovered if you don't mind.
    - vertex-four 9y ago
      Yes, but the point of point-releases is that they're largely about maintenance and hardware support - so moving from 10.x to 11.x might take some testing, maybe rewriting some management scripts, etc, but 11.1 to 11.2 should be easier since nothing major changes about the system. Having a year's buffer to migrate means that if there are issues, you can fix them or get them fixed before 10.x EOLs and you're stuck running an unsupported OS.
    - kchoudhu 9y ago
      You're supposed to upgrade to point releases pretty much immediately.
gkya 9y ago
I guess that's kind of obvious.
- justin66 9y ago
  Nothing about FreeBSD release versioning is obvious.
  - ksec 9y ago
    If we use Windows Versioning Perspective. 10.4 = Versoin 10, Services Pack 4 11.1 = Version 11, Services Pack 1 At least that is how i think of it. Am I missing something? What isn't obvious about it?
    - ddhfdvsfji 9y ago
      Wtf is a services pack?
    - howard941 9y ago
      The 10 and 11 kernel ABIs differ
    - justin66 9y ago
      > At least that is how i think of it. Am I missing something? What isn't obvious about it? I think the number of times I've witnessed discussions over the decades regarding "which version of FreeBSD should I use?" numbers in the hundreds.
      - takeda 9y ago
        The official answer to this is to use latest stable version for any new server. That means 11.1 right now. 10.4 is intended for individuals who are still running 10.x
      - kqr 9y ago
        As far as I understand it, that is nothing more than an urban legend based on the fact that 5.0 was a terrible, rushed release and not meant for production (it was also marked as such). That mistake has not been repeated since, to my knowledge.

gkya 9y ago

Full release notes: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.4R/relnotes.html https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.4R/relnotes.html

kqr 9y ago

If you're on the edge about trying FreeBSD on some server instead of Linux, I strongly suggest diving in. I decided to go with FreeBSD on my home server after some back-and-forth, and it has been nothing but a thoroughly positive experience. - The structure of the system makes total sense to me, making it easy to do stuff. - The system is relatively simple in its design, which means I actually feel like I could troubleshoot any aspect of it. With Linux I often end up in a situation where I think, "Okay, and that component is in $complex_subsystem_12 so I have no chance of fixing it." - The documentation is great. For regular system maintenance, mostly everything you'll ever need is in the FreeBSD Handbook and you can often find separate, but equally complete, documents for more specific tasks like the Porter's Handbook, the Project Model documentation, the Developer's Handbook and the various system architecture/design books floating around.

PeeryTwo 9y ago
Latest Beta of Snort on FreeBSD has control-channel support now finally, making it easier to change the config without interrupting packet flows.
teekert 9y ago
I've been on the fence but tipped back. I'm also always on the fence about Arch vs Ubuntu. But the speed and ease with which you get an application like NextCloud fully running on Ubuntu is unmatched. I don't want to spend time tweaking php.ini (anymore), I just want to install nginx and php7 en find that <? phpinfo(); ?> just works. And when I want to VNC into the box for various reasons, I just want it to work and not mess with x configs or put up with very ugly theme-less windows. The BSD pull is there (even more from OpenBSD), I feel it, but after an evening of struggle I often revert back to Ubuntu LTS. I have run Gentoo on my server, back when I didn't have kids nor required regular sleep. Now I just want stuff to work and run after installing it. I want Snaps and Docker to just work after apt installing them.
- kqr 9y ago
  > But the speed and ease with which you get an application like NextCloud fully running on Ubuntu is unmatched What cooled these worries for me was realising that if I know something to be much easier in Linux, it takes very little to launch a virtual machine and run it in that. So far it hasn't been needed!

butterisgood 9y ago

Is this release called "good buddy"?

sjbr 9y ago

There is a newer version for production: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE