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I don't understand why we had to lose the old disk utility GUI. The new one is so underpowered and buggy that you need to use shell commands to get anything don

I don't understand why we had to lose the old disk utility GUI. The new one is so underpowered and buggy that you need to use shell commands to get anything done. Things like this erode the benefits of MacOS as a lovely GUI environment over a strong UNIX backbone and make me tempted to just switch to some Linux distro.

r00fus 9y ago
I still have a copy of the old AirPort utility as well so I can make adjustments that the new utility can't. I thought they were going to slowly improve the new one to have feature key coverage, but so far nada.
- stefco_ 9y ago
  How does one obtain an old version of these utilities? Do you mean you just have an old mac running old OS X somewhere?
  - flachsechs 9y ago
    you can just run the application if you have an old OS installation on another volume.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - js2 9y ago
    You can download 5.6.1 from Apple: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1536?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1536?locale=en_US You will need to manually unpack it via pkgutil/tar. However, it will won't run under 10.12 since it requires an older version (Mountain Lion) of Apple80211.framework. Assuming you have a copy of the older framework, you can make it work. Fortunately, someone has already done this work: https://zcs.zyniker.org/airport-utility-v5-6-1/ https://zcs.zyniker.org/airport-utility-v5-6-1/
- sambe 9y ago
  I do too. However, the new one is significantly upgraded from its first version if memory serves - I recall new settings being added all over the place which didn't exist previously.
  - axaxs 9y ago
    yeah, Gnome tends to do the same thing...which is really annoying as well. Why not just wait until you have feature parity until nixing the old versions?
- rconti 9y ago
  The original airport express cannot be managed by newer airport utility, and you cannot run the older airport utility on newer versions of macos. facepalm
  - coldtea 9y ago
    Maybe a hint that it's an out of service obsolete product?
    - kaslai 9y ago
      Is it really reasonable to expect users to buy a new router every 2-3 years? 50mbps 802.11g is still plenty sufficient for casual web browsing and streaming, especially considering the fact that most people still don't even have internet connections which are that fast. My $20 TP-Link router that I bought around 2010 or 2011 is still quite healthy and providing more than sufficient service to my parents' house and is only now starting to fall behind their connection speed (their connection recently got bumped up to 100/5, after being 30/3 for close to a decade)
      - wrs 9y ago
        How is the security patch situation with that router, though? One reason a router upgrade is necessary so soon is just that the manufacturer abandoned it that soon. And then you're part of a botnet before you know it.
        dantiberian 9y ago
        The latest Airport Extreme was released June 2013 and the most recent firmware update for it was Dec 20 2016. That's a longer lifespan than most consumer routers, and I expect the Airport will continue getting firmware updates for quite a while.
        lobf 9y ago
        I just finally got an AirPort Extreme like a year ago, it's a fantastic router. What new features am I missing out on?
- reaperducer 9y ago
  I'm in the same boat. I have to keep Airport Utility 5.6 around in order to configure two of the Airports on my network. Fortunately, I have an old iLamp that I use for the task, and also as a media server.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Best to judge someone by their actions. The actions of the corporate person Apple are far less developer friendly of late than Apple ca. 2010. It's like Apple is turning into the Microsoft of the early 2000's. (Stylus tablet computers? Check! Foisting their own development environments on everyone? Check!)
  - mnem 9y ago
    Are you under the impression that you have to use Xcode to create Mac or iOS applications? Or do you just mean that Apple provides an IDE?
    - xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
      I buy an iPhone. How do I create and publish an app for it?
      - twothamendment 9y ago
        Work gave me my first smart phone, an iPhone. I thought it was great at first. Then I started to use it, transfer photos, etc. Then I saw the number of hoops you had to jump through to make an app and get it on your phone. That was enough for me. It was a while ago, but I have my doubts that it was much easier. I try to steer people away from an iPhone if they don't have a mac. They just don't play nice with others. Development is the same. I never did make an iPhone app because I didn't have a mac. My next phone was one I bought, a Nexus device from google. Want to get an app on it? Download the SDK and tools, fire up hello world, throw it on your phone and it works.
        AlexeyBrin 9y ago
        > Download the SDK and tools, fire up hello world, throw it on your phone and it works. This is exactly how it is done on iOS too from iOS 7/8. You don't need a Developer Account anymore to put your own apps on your own phone. You need a Dev. Account only if you want to push the app on App Store.
- zdw 9y ago
  Option-clicking on most UI elements in the new Airport Utility gives you the more complex dialog boxes from the old version, not the new wizard/walkthrough ones. Lots of debug/admin related stuff is hidden behind the Option key in macOS. Try clicking on the volume or wifi menu extras to see some examples of this.
  - laythea 9y ago
    Yeah I feel like I am playing "Where's Wally", randomly Option-key clicking various different things to see what I can do. I guess that's fun for some people, but in my opinion a Menu, is supposed to layout all the options.
  - Rebelgecko 9y ago
    The current version of Airport Utility straight up doesn't work with some of the older Airports. IIRC Lion or Mountain Lion won't let you install the older versions, so you have to muck around with the pkg installer to even get the app.
  - oasisbob 9y ago
    ... and when you get bored of Option-clicking, give Shift-Option clicking a try. Pulls up even more debug choices in Wifi/Bluetooth among others.
- fusiongyro 9y ago
  I thought they were sunsetting Airport devices and would be surprised if they kept putting software development into them.
- intoverflow2 9y ago
  Quicktime 7 is one of the first things I install on a new mac because it still opens a bunch of files and does things that Quicktime X cannot. Quicktime X can't even open a plain .mov file without "Converting" it.
kirykl 9y ago
When Apple rebuilds apps it usually takes a few iterations but generally the capabilities return.
- reaperducer 9y ago
  True. Except for the old "Dial via Bluetooth" feature. It used to be a Service accessible system-wide. You could highlight any numbers and right/command-click to dial a paired phone. This disappeared when the iPhone was first released, and never returned.
  - haikuginger 9y ago
    Not via Bluetooth, but you can make calls via iCloud-paired iPhone, either using the phone as a relay, or using WiFi calling on supported carriers using a similar workflow.
  - knolan 9y ago
    There is a call with iPhone feature as part of the Handoff functionality. So can then conduct the call via your Mac or switch to your phone. So in typical fashion a redesign with a more Apple centric feature set.
- cjensen 9y ago
  The previous capabilities of Quicktime, Airport Utility, Disk Utility, and Pages did not come back. The "new" Quicktime was introduced 8 years ago. The pattern we've seen is Apple decides to re-write a utility because reasons. The new version comes out as part of a major OS release. Then nothing further happens. The exceptions are the major apps like iTunes, Safari, iMovie, and iPhoto. Also the "discoveryd" re-write is extremely noteworthy in that it was fully withdrawn and replaced by its predecessor.
  - nyreed 9y ago
    The loss of codec support in Quicktime was probably related to improving battery life by forcing use of H264, which is hardware accelerated. Whether this is wise is a different question. But no you're right, there is a definite pattern of feature loss going back to iMovie HD 5. I'm still using Pages '09 because it does what I want and feels snappier.
dplgk 9y ago
Seems to be their new approach. Strip all features then slowly bring some of them back over time (or never).
- janfoeh 9y ago
  Apple has been doing that for as long as I have been a Mac user - Quicktime 7 -> X, iMovie 11 -> 13, iPhoto -> Photos.app, iWork '11 -> '13, Final Cut Pro 7 -> X ... etc. They generally seem to have few qualms releasing a reboot that does not have feature parity with its predecessor.
  - eropple 9y ago
    It makes me wonder how Logic Pro has survived this long.
  - danieldk 9y ago
    And mac.com -> me.com -> iCloud.com. E.g. me.com had keychain sync and it took them two years or so to bring it back in the form of iCloud Keychain. One thing that I learned over the years is: let Apple provide the hardware and the OS, but prefer third-party software of proven vendors (Agilebits, Omni Group, etc). Demolishing Disk Utility or Airport Utility was bad, because of the limited possibility of a 3rd party replacement.
    - janfoeh 9y ago
      Me.com! I had already almost forgotten about that. I know that iOS devs hated stuff like Core Data with a passion, but from where I'm sitting, iCloud has been so painless and trouble-free over the years that I have almost forgiven them their earlier attempts at services.
tareqak 9y ago
I've seen this with many app redesigns: the version that I initially downloaded and installed was a joy to use albeit a little rough around the edges in terms of appearance. In some subsequent update, the appearance changes to look very appealing, but after navigating around to find some previously killer function, it is nowhere to be found. A subsequent web search confirms my findings and fears that the feature that I previously relied upon no longer exists. I'm not sure how to describe it: the best that I can come up with is that as something gains mass market appeal, the power users (on average the most vocal) are neglected by those they helped succeed in the marketplace.
- tareqak 9y ago
  There is also this idea that some people (designers / product managers) prune away features that they feel confuse the user, but I don't know how factually true that actually is.
  - sitharus 9y ago
    It’s certainly true, but normally it’s based on real data rather than feelings. It turns out us computer experts are a tiny minority of computer users so things we want to do are often hidden. Better than my dad finding the options though.
    - intoverflow2 9y ago
      Too many product managers these days who don't actually understand or engage with the product and instead think they can create from reading metrics tea leaves alone.
  - chris_wot 9y ago
    It appears that Apple are following the Gnome philosophy, which is ironic because the Gnome philosophy was trying to emulate what they believed was the Apple philosophy.
    - glhaynes 9y ago
zitterbewegung 9y ago
Every time an app gets redesigned a designer gets a promotion.
- chris_wot 9y ago
  Their soul, however, goes straight to hell :-)
  - deleted 9y ago
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laythea 9y ago
I agree entirely, however don't forget that most people who buy them don't know what UNIX even is.
gumby 9y ago
> I don't understand why we had to lose the old disk utility GUI. The new one is so underpowered and buggy that you need to use shell commands to get anything done. I see it the other way as I'll use a shell command by default over a GUI program because it's usually far easier. Typically the GUI programs are the baby ones for the most common cases. But as you add more and more options, the chance for the user to fail to understand what's going on (even the sophisticated user when the number of features shoots way up -- think of MS Word) increases non-linearly. So in this case: most Apple users buy mass market packaged disks already formatted for Windows, which are easily recognized and reformatted for the Mac. Frankly this distinction here is great: if you bought a bare drive you probably know what you want to do. FWIW I'm a Mac user myself, though as noted above most of my usage is in the Terminal.
mustacheemperor 9y ago
This brings to mind the ridiculous mess that is Windows 10's settings menus, which mix important configurations between the old control panel and the new UWP settings ui. What's with this apparent challenge updating core management features in the GUI of new OS releases?
mmagin 9y ago
Reminds me of the time they removed the feature of configuring NFS mounts from disk utility. (Admittedly it was this separate thing accessed through a menu, but it was useful.)
derefr 9y ago
macOS isn't just a GUI translation of a UNIX environment, though (that'd be your average Linux Desktop Environment.) macOS is instead a consumer-electronics abstraction layer for non-technical users, that relies upon and integrates with a UNIX backbone. Which is to say: Apple (unlike Microsoft until PowerShell) has always assumed that the people who want to get fiddly technical stuff done, know how to use a command line. macOS's "power tools" are CLI tools. macOS's GUI programs, on the other hand, are for the 80% use-cases of regular users. They don't expose niche use-cases, because that functionality was already exposed just fine by a CLI tool, and power users can just use that CLI tool. Another example of this: a lot of things that would be exposed as checkboxes in some arcane MMC snap-in in Windows, are just exposed as "defaults write ..." in macOS. Why bother building a GUI for a rarely-changed, technical setting, when the CLI is already a perfectly good one?
- spilk 9y ago
  And yet they are removing command line utilities... High Sierra just removed 'telnet' and 'ftp'. Crazy that Windows ships with a telnet client (you have to enable it, but it's in the standard distribution), and a UNIX-derivative like OS X doesn't.
  - lox 9y ago
    With good reason, they are both out dated and insecure.
    - apostacy 9y ago
      So? 99% of my use of ftp or telnet are for internal network use. And if I must telnet somewhere, I know to use a tunnel. Or my traffic doesn't need to be encrypted. Why not remove netcat, as well? It opens unencrypted sockets. Or perhaps wget, since it lets you download unencrypted http? Even git has a built in ftp client. There's nothing at all obsolete about ftp or telnet. They both implement their respective protocols fully and properly. New devices shouldn't implement ftp or telnet, but that doesn't mean that having the ability to connect to them is no longer something that happens.
sitkack 9y ago
Does the old disk utility run on the new OS?
- gattilorenz 9y ago
  I'm still on El Capitan and have the previous version (i.e. pre-redesign) app, but it had to be hex-edited to remove the version check that made it refuse to run on El Capitan. No idea if it runs on Sierra or later, but I could upload it if needed edit: see http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/files/file/480-disk-utility-patched-v2/ http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/files/file/480-disk-utility...
  - deleted 9y ago
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robbyt 9y ago
I can only imagine they do this because the old versions are using deprecated libraries/frameworks, and needed to be updated to use the latest stuff- not just for aesthetic purposes, but for maintainability and security.

r00fus 9y ago

I still have a copy of the old AirPort utility as well so I can make adjustments that the new utility can't. I thought they were going to slowly improve the new one to have feature key coverage, but so far nada.

stefco_ 9y ago
How does one obtain an old version of these utilities? Do you mean you just have an old mac running old OS X somewhere?
- flachsechs 9y ago
  you can just run the application if you have an old OS installation on another volume.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- js2 9y ago
  You can download 5.6.1 from Apple: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1536?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1536?locale=en_US You will need to manually unpack it via pkgutil/tar. However, it will won't run under 10.12 since it requires an older version (Mountain Lion) of Apple80211.framework. Assuming you have a copy of the older framework, you can make it work. Fortunately, someone has already done this work: https://zcs.zyniker.org/airport-utility-v5-6-1/ https://zcs.zyniker.org/airport-utility-v5-6-1/
sambe 9y ago
I do too. However, the new one is significantly upgraded from its first version if memory serves - I recall new settings being added all over the place which didn't exist previously.
- axaxs 9y ago
  yeah, Gnome tends to do the same thing...which is really annoying as well. Why not just wait until you have feature parity until nixing the old versions?
rconti 9y ago
The original airport express cannot be managed by newer airport utility, and you cannot run the older airport utility on newer versions of macos. facepalm
- coldtea 9y ago
  Maybe a hint that it's an out of service obsolete product?
  - kaslai 9y ago
    Is it really reasonable to expect users to buy a new router every 2-3 years? 50mbps 802.11g is still plenty sufficient for casual web browsing and streaming, especially considering the fact that most people still don't even have internet connections which are that fast. My $20 TP-Link router that I bought around 2010 or 2011 is still quite healthy and providing more than sufficient service to my parents' house and is only now starting to fall behind their connection speed (their connection recently got bumped up to 100/5, after being 30/3 for close to a decade)
    - wrs 9y ago
      How is the security patch situation with that router, though? One reason a router upgrade is necessary so soon is just that the manufacturer abandoned it that soon. And then you're part of a botnet before you know it.
      - dantiberian 9y ago
        The latest Airport Extreme was released June 2013 and the most recent firmware update for it was Dec 20 2016. That's a longer lifespan than most consumer routers, and I expect the Airport will continue getting firmware updates for quite a while.
        lobf 9y ago
        I just finally got an AirPort Extreme like a year ago, it's a fantastic router. What new features am I missing out on?
reaperducer 9y ago
I'm in the same boat. I have to keep Airport Utility 5.6 around in order to configure two of the Airports on my network. Fortunately, I have an old iLamp that I use for the task, and also as a media server.
stcredzero 9y ago
Best to judge someone by their actions. The actions of the corporate person Apple are far less developer friendly of late than Apple ca. 2010. It's like Apple is turning into the Microsoft of the early 2000's. (Stylus tablet computers? Check! Foisting their own development environments on everyone? Check!)
- mnem 9y ago
  Are you under the impression that you have to use Xcode to create Mac or iOS applications? Or do you just mean that Apple provides an IDE?
  - xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
    I buy an iPhone. How do I create and publish an app for it?
    - twothamendment 9y ago
      Work gave me my first smart phone, an iPhone. I thought it was great at first. Then I started to use it, transfer photos, etc. Then I saw the number of hoops you had to jump through to make an app and get it on your phone. That was enough for me. It was a while ago, but I have my doubts that it was much easier. I try to steer people away from an iPhone if they don't have a mac. They just don't play nice with others. Development is the same. I never did make an iPhone app because I didn't have a mac. My next phone was one I bought, a Nexus device from google. Want to get an app on it? Download the SDK and tools, fire up hello world, throw it on your phone and it works.
      - AlexeyBrin 9y ago
        > Download the SDK and tools, fire up hello world, throw it on your phone and it works. This is exactly how it is done on iOS too from iOS 7/8. You don't need a Developer Account anymore to put your own apps on your own phone. You need a Dev. Account only if you want to push the app on App Store.
zdw 9y ago
Option-clicking on most UI elements in the new Airport Utility gives you the more complex dialog boxes from the old version, not the new wizard/walkthrough ones. Lots of debug/admin related stuff is hidden behind the Option key in macOS. Try clicking on the volume or wifi menu extras to see some examples of this.
- laythea 9y ago
  Yeah I feel like I am playing "Where's Wally", randomly Option-key clicking various different things to see what I can do. I guess that's fun for some people, but in my opinion a Menu, is supposed to layout all the options.
- Rebelgecko 9y ago
  The current version of Airport Utility straight up doesn't work with some of the older Airports. IIRC Lion or Mountain Lion won't let you install the older versions, so you have to muck around with the pkg installer to even get the app.
- oasisbob 9y ago
  ... and when you get bored of Option-clicking, give Shift-Option clicking a try. Pulls up even more debug choices in Wifi/Bluetooth among others.
fusiongyro 9y ago
I thought they were sunsetting Airport devices and would be surprised if they kept putting software development into them.
intoverflow2 9y ago
Quicktime 7 is one of the first things I install on a new mac because it still opens a bunch of files and does things that Quicktime X cannot. Quicktime X can't even open a plain .mov file without "Converting" it.

kirykl 9y ago

When Apple rebuilds apps it usually takes a few iterations but generally the capabilities return.

reaperducer 9y ago
True. Except for the old "Dial via Bluetooth" feature. It used to be a Service accessible system-wide. You could highlight any numbers and right/command-click to dial a paired phone. This disappeared when the iPhone was first released, and never returned.
- haikuginger 9y ago
  Not via Bluetooth, but you can make calls via iCloud-paired iPhone, either using the phone as a relay, or using WiFi calling on supported carriers using a similar workflow.
- knolan 9y ago
  There is a call with iPhone feature as part of the Handoff functionality. So can then conduct the call via your Mac or switch to your phone. So in typical fashion a redesign with a more Apple centric feature set.
cjensen 9y ago
The previous capabilities of Quicktime, Airport Utility, Disk Utility, and Pages did not come back. The "new" Quicktime was introduced 8 years ago. The pattern we've seen is Apple decides to re-write a utility because reasons. The new version comes out as part of a major OS release. Then nothing further happens. The exceptions are the major apps like iTunes, Safari, iMovie, and iPhoto. Also the "discoveryd" re-write is extremely noteworthy in that it was fully withdrawn and replaced by its predecessor.
- nyreed 9y ago
  The loss of codec support in Quicktime was probably related to improving battery life by forcing use of H264, which is hardware accelerated. Whether this is wise is a different question. But no you're right, there is a definite pattern of feature loss going back to iMovie HD 5. I'm still using Pages '09 because it does what I want and feels snappier.

dplgk 9y ago

Seems to be their new approach. Strip all features then slowly bring some of them back over time (or never).

janfoeh 9y ago
Apple has been doing that for as long as I have been a Mac user - Quicktime 7 -> X, iMovie 11 -> 13, iPhoto -> Photos.app, iWork '11 -> '13, Final Cut Pro 7 -> X ... etc. They generally seem to have few qualms releasing a reboot that does not have feature parity with its predecessor.
- eropple 9y ago
  It makes me wonder how Logic Pro has survived this long.
- danieldk 9y ago
  And mac.com -> me.com -> iCloud.com. E.g. me.com had keychain sync and it took them two years or so to bring it back in the form of iCloud Keychain. One thing that I learned over the years is: let Apple provide the hardware and the OS, but prefer third-party software of proven vendors (Agilebits, Omni Group, etc). Demolishing Disk Utility or Airport Utility was bad, because of the limited possibility of a 3rd party replacement.
  - janfoeh 9y ago
    Me.com! I had already almost forgotten about that. I know that iOS devs hated stuff like Core Data with a passion, but from where I'm sitting, iCloud has been so painless and trouble-free over the years that I have almost forgiven them their earlier attempts at services.

tareqak 9y ago

I've seen this with many app redesigns: the version that I initially downloaded and installed was a joy to use albeit a little rough around the edges in terms of appearance. In some subsequent update, the appearance changes to look very appealing, but after navigating around to find some previously killer function, it is nowhere to be found. A subsequent web search confirms my findings and fears that the feature that I previously relied upon no longer exists. I'm not sure how to describe it: the best that I can come up with is that as something gains mass market appeal, the power users (on average the most vocal) are neglected by those they helped succeed in the marketplace.

tareqak 9y ago
There is also this idea that some people (designers / product managers) prune away features that they feel confuse the user, but I don't know how factually true that actually is.
- sitharus 9y ago
  It’s certainly true, but normally it’s based on real data rather than feelings. It turns out us computer experts are a tiny minority of computer users so things we want to do are often hidden. Better than my dad finding the options though.
  - intoverflow2 9y ago
    Too many product managers these days who don't actually understand or engage with the product and instead think they can create from reading metrics tea leaves alone.
- chris_wot 9y ago
  It appears that Apple are following the Gnome philosophy, which is ironic because the Gnome philosophy was trying to emulate what they believed was the Apple philosophy.
  - glhaynes 9y ago

zitterbewegung 9y ago

Every time an app gets redesigned a designer gets a promotion.

chris_wot 9y ago
Their soul, however, goes straight to hell :-)
- deleted 9y ago
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laythea 9y ago

I agree entirely, however don't forget that most people who buy them don't know what UNIX even is.

gumby 9y ago

> I don't understand why we had to lose the old disk utility GUI. The new one is so underpowered and buggy that you need to use shell commands to get anything done. I see it the other way as I'll use a shell command by default over a GUI program because it's usually far easier. Typically the GUI programs are the baby ones for the most common cases. But as you add more and more options, the chance for the user to fail to understand what's going on (even the sophisticated user when the number of features shoots way up -- think of MS Word) increases non-linearly. So in this case: most Apple users buy mass market packaged disks already formatted for Windows, which are easily recognized and reformatted for the Mac. Frankly this distinction here is great: if you bought a bare drive you probably know what you want to do. FWIW I'm a Mac user myself, though as noted above most of my usage is in the Terminal.

mustacheemperor 9y ago

This brings to mind the ridiculous mess that is Windows 10's settings menus, which mix important configurations between the old control panel and the new UWP settings ui. What's with this apparent challenge updating core management features in the GUI of new OS releases?

mmagin 9y ago

Reminds me of the time they removed the feature of configuring NFS mounts from disk utility. (Admittedly it was this separate thing accessed through a menu, but it was useful.)

derefr 9y ago

macOS isn't just a GUI translation of a UNIX environment, though (that'd be your average Linux Desktop Environment.) macOS is instead a consumer-electronics abstraction layer for non-technical users, that relies upon and integrates with a UNIX backbone. Which is to say: Apple (unlike Microsoft until PowerShell) has always assumed that the people who want to get fiddly technical stuff done, know how to use a command line. macOS's "power tools" are CLI tools. macOS's GUI programs, on the other hand, are for the 80% use-cases of regular users. They don't expose niche use-cases, because that functionality was already exposed just fine by a CLI tool, and power users can just use that CLI tool. Another example of this: a lot of things that would be exposed as checkboxes in some arcane MMC snap-in in Windows, are just exposed as "defaults write ..." in macOS. Why bother building a GUI for a rarely-changed, technical setting, when the CLI is already a perfectly good one?

spilk 9y ago
And yet they are removing command line utilities... High Sierra just removed 'telnet' and 'ftp'. Crazy that Windows ships with a telnet client (you have to enable it, but it's in the standard distribution), and a UNIX-derivative like OS X doesn't.
- lox 9y ago
  With good reason, they are both out dated and insecure.
  - apostacy 9y ago
    So? 99% of my use of ftp or telnet are for internal network use. And if I must telnet somewhere, I know to use a tunnel. Or my traffic doesn't need to be encrypted. Why not remove netcat, as well? It opens unencrypted sockets. Or perhaps wget, since it lets you download unencrypted http? Even git has a built in ftp client. There's nothing at all obsolete about ftp or telnet. They both implement their respective protocols fully and properly. New devices shouldn't implement ftp or telnet, but that doesn't mean that having the ability to connect to them is no longer something that happens.

sitkack 9y ago

Does the old disk utility run on the new OS?

gattilorenz 9y ago
I'm still on El Capitan and have the previous version (i.e. pre-redesign) app, but it had to be hex-edited to remove the version check that made it refuse to run on El Capitan. No idea if it runs on Sierra or later, but I could upload it if needed edit: see http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/files/file/480-disk-utility-patched-v2/ http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/files/file/480-disk-utility...
- deleted 9y ago
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robbyt 9y ago

I can only imagine they do this because the old versions are using deprecated libraries/frameworks, and needed to be updated to use the latest stuff- not just for aesthetic purposes, but for maintainability and security.