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iMac Pro
- gbersac 9y agoWhat a monster ! 4 tera SSD, 18 Giga RAM, 18 cores...
- YouKnowBetter 9y agoWhat's more: with a 3.5 mm headphone jack!
- danielvf 9y agoI think you meant 128Gb ram, instead of 18gb.
- KGIII 9y agoI haven't read the article and I balked when they exclaimed the bit about 18 GB of RAM. That'd be an unusual number but, more importantly, is well below what I'd expect for a minimal amount of RAM in a designated 'professional' system. These days, I'd want 64 GB as a minimum but I suppose 32 would suit for some tasks. I still muck about with some modeling that hasn't been shunted off to the GPU, so I'd even find a use for 128 GB. A few browser tabs, email client, IDE, and Slack are going to eat up a goodly portion of 18 GB.
- bomanbot 9y agoThat is Video RAM for the GPU, though not the main RAM for the system. The minimum RAM amount you can buy the iMac Pro with is 32 GB, 64 GB and 128 GB configs are also available Also, 18 GB was certainly a typo, if you look now, they are saying 16 GB now.
- KGIII 9y agoThat makes a whole lot more sense. Tangentially related: It's a bit of a strange feeling to recommend 32 GB of RAM as a base amount. My, how times have changed.
- wowtip 9y agoUp to...
- hyperbovine 9y agoWith a monstrous price to go with it, no doubt. I'll be surprised if that config comes in under five figures.
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- jmnicolas 9y agoIf they manage to get the 18 core processor without thermal throttling it will be a real feat of engineering, but I doubt it's possible. Throttling or not, I wish I was rich enough (we're probably talking about a 6 to 8k machine here !).
- amiga-workbench 9y agoI don't have much faith in them, the thermals have been questionable on all of their other products.
- AmVess 9y agoIt's at about 460 watts TDP just for the CPU and GPU alone in top configuration, assuming standard clocks and volts. Apple will have to live with throttling, or find top-binned parts that can be undervolted and downclocked while remaining stable. I am not an optimist. Full size chassis need some pretty serious cooling for these parts, and I see none of that with the Pro.
- CoolGuySteve 9y agoThe cooling system looks similar to what you'd see in a 1U chassis. Since it's standing on it's own instead of sitting in a rack next to a bunch of other machines, it should be fine. It's going to be very loud under a full load though, it would have been nice if they went with liquid cooling instead.
- strictnein 9y ago> we're probably talking about a 6 to 8k machine here ! Yeah, the retail on that processor is $2k.
- valuearb 9y ago$5k is the base price.
- strictnein 9y agoI thought you were joking, but then I looked it up and you're right. That's just insane.
- vacri 9y agoEnds on a bit of a fizzer. "Cool stuff, cool stuff, cool stuff, and the keyboard is gray and has a numpad now".
- fnwx17 9y agoThink of how excited accountants will be to be able to have a numpad!
- Cthulhu_ 9y agoDon't Real Programmers write in binary?
- justherefortart 9y agoHex or Octal.
- akhilome 9y agoNo, they use punch cards
- peterburkimsher 9y agoNo touch bar.
- mewwts 9y agoSo how's this going to perform for Deep Learning?
- runholm 9y agoPerformance per $ isn't great, but the hardware is good. If you want to crunch data like a champion you need to spend the same $ on a desktop with a big fat GPU suited for GPGPU tasks and with proper cooling. The rest of the system doesn't really need to be insane, but you have to be able to keep up with the GPU. I doubt the iMac can keep running with a high load over time without thermal throttling.
- dagw 9y agoThe other crux is that it is a Radeon GPU and not a Nvidia GPU, so you cannot (effectively) use any Deep Learning library that targets CUDA/cuDNN.
- mememaestro 9y agoLook at me i'm throwing buzzwords around here
- piggybox 9y agonot gonna work well without Nvidia card(s!)
- ungzd 9y agoLooks like they returned some of NeXT's aesthetics.
- urza 9y agoI would worry that something breaks after warranty expires and the whole computer can go out of the window. With regular good old desktops you can just replace the broken part. With such special custom made hardware it is sometimes impossible. For example the macbook airs have non standard ssd that is not replaceable, so when the disk dies, whole notebook is done...
- lotsofpulp 9y agoWith laptops, such as the Air, based on the great sales figures, consumers are willing to forego being able to repair versus having something compact. It also probably helps apple in the warranty department if their manufacturing quality is so high that people opening it up themselves causes more problems than the product is expected to have by itself. I used to repair my laptop and desktop, but nowadays I'd rather just go to the Apple store and have it swapped out and not waste time for parts. The share of the market that wants repair-ability is probably just not high enough to care about, at least for Apple. Edit: if this is for business or professionals, then I don't understand why they would make something like this either though. I assume their highly paid staff has market data and whatnot, but I share your opinion that it's ridiculous if this is supposed to be for business use.
- stefco_ 9y agoMy friend in film production tells me that his shop does a ton of editing on iMacs despite the premium on hardware. He is an enthusiast and has built his own editing PC, but he tells me the iMacs are rock-solid and never give them any trouble, despite the specs being worse on paper than some other editing machines. I think that the consistency, quality, and software integration are worth a lot to businesses, especially mid-size businesses that don't have an entire IT department to fix issues that come up, and in these contexts, having a reliable computing monoculture means you can just focus on business. I won't be surprised if iMac Pros do make it into plenty of business contexts.
- aykutcan 9y agoso Editing PC gave him trouble ? Why i am the only one around using PC with zero problems and much much better than any apple product?
- chiph 9y agoWhy is this an iMac and not a Mac Pro? Did they decide that the "can" wasn't being bought in enough numbers?
- Gaelan 9y agoIirc the can had some thermal issues with anything more that it’s current specs. Apple says a redesigned Pro is in the works.
- KaiserPro 9y agoIf you want CPU/GPU power on a more realistic budget, I'd suggest something like the HP Z620/640. Dual xeons, loads of disk space, and enough power to put at least two tiptop GPUs in.
- ricardobeat 9y agoBut no macOS - despite a few warts and declining quality, still the best desktop operating system available.
- TheRealDunkirk 9y ago> declining quality [Citation needed] I agree that it's all about macOS, and I'd use it even if it WERE "declining," but on what basis do you make this comment, besides personal anecdote?
- ricardobeat 9y agoThat's based on a few dozen anecdotes over the past half decade - workplaces almost fully on macs. More and more common wi-fi issues, battery/charging problems with latest MBPs, display issues (especially with external monitors), ever more frequent system hangs and weird behaviour in general (locked up processes, memory trashing), animations like mission control keep getting slower unless it's a fresh system, half-assed incorporation of iOS design, continuity hardly works, unreliable bluetooth (and useless outside connection peripherals). App Store has been taken over by crap and marketing scams. They've also been opening the enterprise program to more and more customization (= more crap pushed onto your machine root system, outside of your reach). I might be forgetting something. I'd still prefer a brick to the face over having to use Windows for work :)
- walshemj 9y agoRealy have they finally replaced finder with something as usable as filemanger in windows 3.1
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- jarym 9y agoSeeing the history of updates to the Mac Mini and Mac Pro why would anyone trust Apple with a high end desktop computer? The odds are high that they'll keep pumping this thing largely unchanged for the next 5 years while letting the state of technology race ahead. I'm saying this because no matter what Apple say, their focus is undoubtedly on what makes them the most money: iPhones.
- coldtea 9y ago>Seeing the history of updates to the Mac Mini and Mac Pro why would anyone trust Apple with a high end desktop computer? Because they don't buy for the next 20 years, but for their actual current needs. If anything happens and the line stops, I can always go find another solution then and there, as opposed to now. Besides, this is like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. There were several cases for concern (e.g. when the MacPro wasn't updated properly for 3 years). The day of the release of a new Pro machine is the exact opposite of that.
- walshemj 9y agoMoving from a MAC pro workflow to a Wintel (i9 Xenon or AMD) is non trivial you might as well bight the bullet and go threadripper or EPYC now
- coldtea 9y ago>Moving from a MAC pro workflow to a Wintel (i9 Xenon or AMD) is non trivial So what do I earn from "biting the bullet"? I go through a non trivial process for merely the possibility that the iMac Pro might not have continued new models (which will only matter to me in 2-3 years at earlier if I buy it). And that when there's already another Mac Pro model announced for 2018.
- walshemj 9y agoYour laying off the risk of apple either abandoning the pro market or at best ignoring it as it has for the last few years.
- peatmoss 9y agoThis is an impressive feat of engineering to get all that hardware into a that kind of a package, but man, I bet there are a lot of pros who'd have preferred an aluminum box that they could open up. No fixability / no upgradability is the price we pay for laptops, but does it really have to be the price for desktops? I'd think that swapping a video card or adding a drive or two is the sort of thing that one might do over the lifespan of this thing. I guess after this machine is obsolete, there's a "screen mode" where these things can be used as a monitor and the 18 Xeon cores are powered down?
- jrs95 9y agoThere is supposed to be a more standard desktop system coming 2018 or early 2019, I think.
- coldtea 9y ago>This is an impressive feat of engineering to get all that hardware into a that kind of a package, but man, I bet there are a lot of pros who'd have preferred an aluminum box that they could open up. They have already announced that is coming later on in 2018.
- barake 9y agoSupposedly a modular, easier-to-integrate updated hardware Mac Pro is coming at some point [1]. https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives
- crispyambulance 9y agoYou "can" swap out parts and repair iMacs, it is just not something one does casually. You need tools, instructions, skills and will-power. The thing is most people, even pros, don't bother with that stuff even when they have Dell boxes. Apple knows that and, I think, trades off ease-of-repair for sleekness and mostly wins out (until recently). AFAIK, there is no "screen mode" that enables one to use these things as monitors.
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- pyrophane 9y agoMaybe for graphics professionals who don’t like Windows and can’t get the software they need on Linux. Otherwise, especially for devs, it would just make so much more sense to build a PC for the upgradability if nothing else. Being able to drop in a new card or CPU as desired is a pretty big perk, although I find it somewhat strange to be describing it that way, as it used to be a given.
- rhinoceraptor 9y agoYou can also build tiny (compared to the PCs 5-10 years ago) powerhouses thanks to the rise of enthusiast mini ITX boards and SFX power supplies. My new tower is small enough to fit in a backpack, but it can fit a full size reference video card, 4 2.5” drives, and the motherboard has two M.2 slots.
- captainmuon 9y agoI neither need nor can afford one, and as other have commented, for a "professional" an all-in-one computer is rather impractical. I'd much rather have a simple box where I can replace individual components, or the monitor, if it breaks. That being said, I'm interested in the new magic keyboard: wide, and in space grey. Would look pretty nice with my hackintosh :-P
- vbezhenar 9y agoI'm not amazed. This processor will inevitable throttle, I don't believe that they could cool it to allow for constant boosting. Graphics looks like trash: it's a consumer video card (no ECC, bad double precision speed) inferior to Nvidia. And of course everything glued together will render this PC obsolete in few years without any upgrade path. I hope they'll build a proper Mac Pro.
- coldtea 9y agoNo wireless, less space than a Nomad too.
- coredog64 9y agoWhen the original trash can pro was released, AMD was a reasonable video choice. Unless Apple is also going to release a CUDA compatibility layer, I think most people would want an Nvidia video solution.
- CoolGuySteve 9y agoThe cooling system looks similar to what's in a 1U server. It will be incredibly loud under load but it probably won't throttle.
- aykutcan 9y agoMore like two laptop fans combined.
- dagw 9y agoThey make 1U servers with similar space constraints and those sorts of CPUs without throttling, if you're willing to accept that your computers sounds like a jet engine.
- kar1181 9y agoNo mention of the word upgrade anywhere. A pro computer needs to be re-configurable after purchase.
- Aaargh20318 9y agoThe iMac Pro is basically a stopgap until the new Mac Pro's arrive next year. They actually acknowledged they messed up with the 'dustbin' Mac Pro and it's lack of upgradability, which is a first. (https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/4/15175994/apple-mac-pro-failure-admission https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/4/15175994/apple-mac-pro-fai...). They are working on a completely new Mac Pro to address the issues actual pro's have, but that's going to take a while. The iMac Pro is just here to fill the gap.
- TheRealDunkirk 9y agoI want to be an unmitigated fanboy, but I agree. We need an upgradable package. My PC gaming rig is going on 10 years now, after 2 GPU upgrades. That's a lot of bang-for-buck.
- jmull 9y agoIs there something new here? (I ask because it was announced months ago and isn’t due out for a few more months.) Looks great though. It’s a little overpowered for the stuff I do, where the demanding things are distributed systems which don’t make sense to host on a workstation, even in simulation. But I sure wouldn’t mind one.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoI'm a programmer and so buy middle of the line macbook pros with mid range CPUs, mid range RAM, and integrated GPUS. Ironically, my wife, a designer, always chastises me for getting such slow hardware: turns out what works for a programmer doesn't work for soemone who has to use a lot of Adobe CSS :). I assume this iMac pro would be for her, not for me.
- fhood 9y agoI'm a programmer and I tend to buy the thing with the largest numbers. I justify it by admitting to myself that I am only buying it because it has the largest numbers, and that it will last me longer, thus causing less pollution. But really it is just because of the numbers.
- to3m 9y agoI do this too. You'll never have buyers' remorse if you buy the one with the largest numbers, nor will you ever run out of disk space.
- styfle 9y agoI tend to squeeze every penny and I have a bit of buyer's remorse for buying a refurbished MacBook 2015 with the smallest storage: 128 GB. Everything else is great, but I'm constantly finding myself in situations where I am about to install Docker, or go-lang, or something I am experimenting with and eventually come to the conclusion...not worth it to install. Should I fire up Garage Band? Nope, I probably will use it twice and then it will sit there taking up disk space. I'm trying to take advantage of more "cloud" solutions but they're not the same :(
- graycrow 9y agoWhy is this considered news? It was announced at WWDC in June, no?
- Toine 9y agoI don't understand either, why was is posted, why was it upvoted, why is it commented ?
- fredmonroe 9y agoi was hoping for nvidia :(
- demarq 9y agoTo all the people banging on about upgrades... exactly what in the name of silica are you working on that this machine can not possibly handle for the next 5 years? What could you possibly want to upgrade? And what are you currently running?
- dagw 9y agoexactly what in the name of silica are you working on that this machine can not possibly handle for the next 5 years? The whole point is I have no idea exactly what I'll be working on 5 years from now or what kind of machine it might need. But what I do know for certain is that the things I'm doing today would have been extremely tricky to do on a machine from 5 years ago.
- Geee 9y agoIf you're working on the cutting edge, let's say in graphics or machine learning you'll probably want to upgrade your GPU every year.
- snuxoll 9y agoWhich is where macOS' new support for eGPU enclosures comes into play.
- jamesgeck0 9y agoCurrent eGPU enclosure technology is for powering up a machine with integrated graphics, not keeping up with top of the line cards. Thunderbolt 3 just isn't fast enough for that to be feasible. The bottleneck is such that there's already no point in putting a high end card like the GTX 1080 Ti in an eGPU enclosure (Source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/laptop-external-graphics-card-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/laptop-external-grap... ).
- snuxoll 9y agoIf you're worried about raw graphics throughput, sure. For most GPGPU use cases you've still got enough bandwidth.
- alkonaut 9y agoImpressive engineering to get that kilowatt-level power envelope into what looks literally like an envelope. Then the next question: is the target audience really there? The people who need 18 cores + a pro graphics card are the people who used to have mac pros (or still use them). These people care about expandable and replacable things, and most of all they want to use a screen with several computers because these pro screens cost a ton (Often more than the machine if you want a screen for e.g. video color grading or really serious photo work). If the screen on this thing isn't up for the task ,then it's an expensive useless addition. If it is that good, then it's a waste to throw it out in 2 years when you replace the machine. I mean I'm not saying this thing won't sell like hotcakes because it's an impressive machine and a not-very-price-sensitive customer group. But it just feels like they could have stuck these bits into the last mac pro tower, painted it black and had this product out sooner and cheaper than this?
- peterburkimsher 9y agoI'm seriously considering an iMac these days. Currently I use a 2014-model 15" MacBook Pro, and it's heavy to carry to work every day. I also need a lot more disk space. If Apple allow upgrading the iMac Pro with a 3.5" 12TB hard drive, I'd be interested. The new MacBook Pros aren't suitable for my needs because they don't have ports. I need more storage, but can't upgrade my laptop. I don't want to go down to a 2012 MacBook Pro just to add a bigger hard drive in the optical bay. Also, I really like the Retina screen. So, how am I going to store the Big Data for machine learning on my office computer, while also having a nice screen? The iMac seems like a more affordable option than a Mac Pro, and with cheaper, more suitable upgrades than the non-tower Pro. If the iMac doesn't have a 3.5" disk slot though, then I take back all my compliments. The 4TB max SSD from Apple won't be enough for me.
- alkonaut 9y ago> So, how am I going to store the Big Data for machine learning on my office computer, while also having a nice screen? This would be the choice, but I'd hesitate to buy one with the new Mac Pro coming. I hate the idea of attaching a screen to the computer unless absolutely necesary, especially a nice screen.
- Shivetya 9y agoI will be blunt, all I have seen since day one is a photoshop exercise with a pretty web page in an attempt to save face after some influential sites starting bashing Apple for letting the previous model languish for three years. Has there ever been a test system that was allowed to be used by a third party? Considering how far they pushed off "release" it all smacked of "cya". with regards to the design, AIO. There are still many rumors of a new iMac chassis for the next iteration so why would the Mac Pro not debut the new chassis but instead soldier on with the old chassis? I take no issue with a line of iMac Pro work stations but a stand alone tower is still a requirement in a Pro line. Even with Thunderbolt supporting high speed external devices the one element I really don't want baked in is my screen
- bfrog 9y agoGood luck with that. Non-replaceable video card seems like a tough sell to me.
- bkdbkd 9y agoAmateur extreme. Pro's need a machine that can evolve over time. More memory, larger storage as it becomes available, God forbid - a faster cpu. Remember the PC platform is inherently upgradeable. The LGA2066 chipset can be used with 8+ different CPU's. Pro's invest in proper tools to support their work, not in souped up toys. Without offense meant to my Honda bretheren, this in the same line as the $100,000 Civic mods. You certainly can, and it will be cool, but possibly not the best use of that money. Its attractive because of the top end features. But they come in trapped in a disposable package. While that would not be terrible for $300 laptop, it is a piss-poor investment for what 9to5mac says will be a $17,500 top of the line box. Why? The instant one of the features is offspec,too little, to slow , you have an entire $17,000 machine that's too little, too slow. And no mic input? Why? That's just silly. It cost them more to leave that out. It belongs with Pro-Racecars, with prepacked engines and hoods welded shut, and with Pro-Lawn tools with no serviceable parts.
- morley 9y ago> Pro's need a machine that can evolve over time. Is this really true though for Apple's target market? I'm guessing that if I'm an artist for Pixar and I need a new "professional" machine, the company is 9 times out of 10 going to buy me a new computer rather than buying me a video card upgrade. I'd imagine most large corporations would do something like that since it's more scalable than upgrading individual parts piecemeal. Buying one "pro" machine and upgrading it over a number of years seems like more of what I'd call an "enthusiast" strategy. I think it's reasonable that Apple is betting that Mac "enthusiasts" would be willing to upgrade their machine wholesale after a number of years (maybe recouping value by reselling their old machine) rather than extensively researching new video cards and buying one off Newegg. Maybe they're wrong and people aren't willing to do that, but it's their prerogative to place that bet.
- evilduck 9y agoI hear this sentiment all the time that "pro users need the ability to upgrade" but not once in a decade of my professional programming career have I _ever_ seen a computer at a workplace upgraded. They get purchased, they get repaired, they get retired or they trickle down to "lesser users", but I've never seen anyone get additional RAM or a drop in CPU replacement on an employer-owned machine. If you needed a better computer all I've ever seen is a new computer purchased.
- bischofs 9y agoLinux is getting better as a desktop OS. I hope that continues so Apple gets some competition - Marketing an all-in-one as a Pro machine is just arrogant, I don't care whats under the hood the form factor is wrong. I have been using mint 18 with cinnamon 3 and its a nice GUI and rock solid stable. It runs my dev env but also 24/7 servers and a few daemons. I just added some more ram for cheap (up to 24GB ) to run more docker containers. Its hard to see how I could mirror this on OSX without spending a small fortune. I also own a macbook pro but due to donglegate its mostly for browsing the internet and light tasks (which i guess is what most apple products are designed for these days)
- allwein 9y agoWhat is "donglegate"?
- bischofs 9y agoThe MBP has 4 thunderbolt USB-C ports and nothing else, everything I own does not support USB-C (including my iphone). I like the idea of a single cable for everything but I cant afford to replace my monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers etc. all at once.
- bluedino 9y agoDoesn't run Adobe, Final Cut, ProTools...
- K0SM0S 9y ago> rock solid stable Huh, actually, thanks to NVIDIA, the latest drivers are likely to make your Mint 18.x failing to boot (requiring safe mode in 4.4.53, uninstalling 38x.xx drivers, reinstalling 36x.xx, etc.) One word: PITA. The aforementioned manufacturer is apparently aware of the issue, has been for months, but they're not fixing poop. So as it appears that Nvidia still is playing their sad stupid little proprietary game on Linux (Mint can't fix the issue)... sadly it is better/safer to stick to the big distros (Ubuntu, notably) if stability is your main concern. ____ TLDR: PSA: too modified/exotic distros (like Mint+Cinnamon) are not well supported by some manufacturers, like Nvidia (nothing new under the sun, heh). Better use major ones (e.g. Ubuntu, main flavor will soon be Gnome 3 by 2018-04). PS: No, I don't particularly like Ubuntu, but do we like Windows? Irrelevant, that's how we run Premiere Pro or previously .NET. Do we like macOS? Irrelevant, that's how we publish on iOS. Reality is what it is, and Ubuntu (vanilla/primary, as opposed to Ubuntu-based distros) is the chosen one for hardware support (usually, afaik).
- lloyd678 9y agoThis landing page is really shoddy for a premium Apple product
- dilap 9y agoon iOS, the weird tricks they are playing with scrolling means that between sections, you are dragging your finger with literally no response at all from the webpage. the whole beauty of a a touch device is the physicality -- it feels like you're actually interacting with a real physical system embedded below the screen. someone should tell web designers to stop messing that up.
- ksec 9y ago1. For those who are criticizing upgradablity, there is a NEW Mac Pro design coming in 2018, modular and upgradable. I hope it will be a Cheese Grater like design but fits into a 3U Size Rack. I am pretty sure there are "comparatively" huge demand for Mac on Rack, and OSX Server in General. 2. The iMac Pro are really geared towards large segments of 3D Gfx, Photos and Videos Pros. So Professional Programmers may not be its target audience. 3. I dont believe the Cooling system is anything new. It is well engineered, but not new innovation. Which really pisses me off is because they could have done this a lot sooner, and they decide it is for iMac Pro and 27" only. I wish the normal 21 and 27 iMac gets more powerful CPU and GPU as well with the same cooling system. 4. There is nothing new on this page, why is it posted?
- devmunchies 9y agoA dark magic mouse and keyboard at the very bottom of the page. Thats new.
- Corrado 9y agoWhen the new MBP was introduced a year ago a big part of the demonstration was targeted toward professionals and how they would use the new Touch Bar. Where is the Touch Bar for this professional machine? The new keyboard would be a perfect place to launch such a feature, yet it is not included.
- DerekL 9y agoThey were announced back in June: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-imac-pro-space-gray-keyboard-mouse-accessories-wont-be-sold-separately-2017-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-imac-pro-space-gray-key...
- yuhong 9y agoInterestingly, the spec still says 128GB of RAM despite the fact that the price of 64GB LR-DIMMs are getting closer to the price of 32GB RDIMMs.
- coryfklein 9y agoRe: "Can't upgrade it like a PC" I have found that my Apple devices retain value much better than a PC, so when 2-3 years have passed I sell the old one, recouping some cash, then buy a new/new-ish one. That "upgrade" costs more than only buying new RAM but when considering that you get brand new _everything_ the price is about right IMO. Good luck taking that PC with an 8-year old motherboard and $1200 in upgrades and getting anything out of it on eBay.
- H1Supreme 9y agoWho buys computers for their resale value? An 8 year old mac is worth exactly jack shit (I have one, it's fetching $150 on eBay). You buy a computer for it's performance and usability. And, putting a new graphics card in your computer for a couple hundred dollars is more desirable, imo, than trading it in. Especially considering that CPU performance has not increased substantially in the last couple years.
- coryfklein 9y ago> Who buys computers for their resale value? I never said people do. But it certainly is a positive factor that Apple computers have that others don't. Most don't pick a PC just for the capability of upgrading the graphics card 4 years down the road. But it certainly is a positive factor that PCs have that others don't. > Especially considering that CPU performance has not increased substantially in the last couple years. Which, if true, would not count as evidence in favor of interchangeable CPUs. Are there other parts that haven't increased substantially in the last couple years?
- H1Supreme 9y agoPeople buy desktop Mac's for the OS. Period. If Apple sold licenses for MacOS, no one would be spending $5,000 on a new iMac pro. They would spend half that for a dual GTX-1080 wielding juggernaut of a desktop. Or, about a grand for something reasonable. Either way, no one would be trying to convince themselves that this thing is somehow worth this price tag. Because it's not. Luckily, it's piss easy to install macOS on PC hardware, if that's your bag. All the new Nvidia cards work great too.
- jonknee 9y ago> Or, about a grand for something reasonable. A comparable display alone runs more than a grand.