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>>What I have an aversion to is people who want to talk endlessly about wine Do these people actually exist or have you just heard about them on TV and over-ma

>>What I have an aversion to is people who want to talk endlessly about wine Do these people actually exist or have you just heard about them on TV and over-match any time you hear some one talk about wine for more than 30 seconds?

robbrown451 9y ago
I have certainly been to parties where we are standing around drinking wine, and my eyes glaze over as people talk about wine for a lot longer than I'd like. And they talk about going to tasting events and whatnot where they can presumably talk at even more length about it.
- Avshalom 9y ago
  So sometimes, when drinking wine, people talk about wine? And that's just too much for you.
  - robbrown451 9y ago
    The length and detail annoys me. I tolerate it, I just don't enjoy it. It comes off as pretentious. And it just falls into the "why is this so important to you?" territory.
    - FabHK 9y ago
      > "why is this so important to you?" territory. You mean, "terroir".
    - Avshalom 9y ago
      Again though how much length is it really and how much length is it you mentally adding because it is for some reason important to you that it shouldn't be important to them. And by 'important to them' I mean: 'discussing the activity while, and only while, they are currently doing it'
      - robbrown451 9y ago
        Well I don't consider parties to be all about what is being consumed. Sure, it is while they are doing it, but typically a party is a generalized social occasion, not an activity based get together like a book club.
    - jpatokal 9y ago
      Indeed. They should be discussing something everybody agrees is important, like the relative merits of various programming languages or vi vs Emacs.
    - matwood 9y ago
      Thing is, even if you completely ignore wine flavor there is so much to talk about. One, wine is often grown in picturesque areas that make great travel destinations. Wine has it's own battles like oak vs. no oak which brings people to same level of arguing as vi vs. emacs debate. If you're at all a history buff, wine intersects all throughout. Then there are generally cool, geeky things about wine. For example, how the wine in Santorini is cultivated is fascinating: http://www.winesfromsantorini.com/the-vineyard.html http://www.winesfromsantorini.com/the-vineyard.html I don't find any of this pretentious, and more general interesting conversation.
    - upvotinglurker 9y ago
      Is there no topic that you like to discuss at length, that others don't enjoy and wonder why it is important to you?
  - bbarn 9y ago
    I went to a wedding celebration for friends that eloped recently. It was put on by a wealthy friend of theirs, who happened to be a bit of a wine fanatic. He had hundreds of bottles worth hundreds of dollars each, and basically said "enjoy whatever you want" to the guests. Most of us were drinking what was already opened, or even the beer in the cooler.. but one guy... one guy, had to talk about every bottle. Go through a glorious ceremony for each. Find the perfect glasses, and people to talk to about it. It got pretty annoying, to the point the wine loving host himself was like, great to meet you, but why don't you and I get together some other time, let's focus on (couple's name) instead. There you have two kinds of wine fans, one I like, one I couldn't stand being around. My mother is a third kind, the one obsessed with finding the highest quality to cost ratio she can. I'm not sure how I feel about her :)
    - Avshalom 9y ago
      I mean I guess but again you anecdote here is that one time one guy, while everyone was drinking wine, started talking about wine.
    - TylerE 9y ago
      To play devil's advocate: If you're going to break open the good stuff, drink it right, and proper glassware _does_ matter. Don't be the dude who grabs a bottle of my good scotch and pours it on ice in a rocks glass. The bottle of Jameson was right next door for a reason.
staticautomatic 9y ago
Sure they do. I used to work in the wine industry. It's full of people who love to talk about wine. Most of it is complete and utter bullshit, and don't get me started on reviews (Has anyone done NLP work on wine reviews? I suspect they're mostly indistinguishable from each other).
Chathamization 9y ago
I'd say it's not so much about how often people talk about wine, but how they approach wine in general. For example, there's a group of wine selections that I've found to be pretty tasty (and often pretty affordable, with many in the $15-$25 range). I went into a busy wine store in an affluent neighborhood and asked the people in the wine department if they had any wines of that select, and they looked at me as if I was from the moon. They told me that's not the way wine is organized - they wanted me to give them a price point and tell them if it's red or white. That's how a lot of people approach wine: "I want to spend N dollars on a X color wine." (I went to a smaller wine shop near a college, and they knew just who I was talking about) People have said it's like talking about Vim vs Emacs, and it is somewhat, but it's like hearing people who have never used Vim or Emacs talk about Vim vs Emacs. Have you ever come across those conversations? Everyone is just repeating things they read and saying what they believe the common consensus is, and no one is thinking for themselves.

robbrown451 9y ago

I have certainly been to parties where we are standing around drinking wine, and my eyes glaze over as people talk about wine for a lot longer than I'd like. And they talk about going to tasting events and whatnot where they can presumably talk at even more length about it.

Avshalom 9y ago
So sometimes, when drinking wine, people talk about wine? And that's just too much for you.
- robbrown451 9y ago
  The length and detail annoys me. I tolerate it, I just don't enjoy it. It comes off as pretentious. And it just falls into the "why is this so important to you?" territory.
  - FabHK 9y ago
    > "why is this so important to you?" territory. You mean, "terroir".
  - Avshalom 9y ago
    Again though how much length is it really and how much length is it you mentally adding because it is for some reason important to you that it shouldn't be important to them. And by 'important to them' I mean: 'discussing the activity while, and only while, they are currently doing it'
    - robbrown451 9y ago
      Well I don't consider parties to be all about what is being consumed. Sure, it is while they are doing it, but typically a party is a generalized social occasion, not an activity based get together like a book club.
  - jpatokal 9y ago
    Indeed. They should be discussing something everybody agrees is important, like the relative merits of various programming languages or vi vs Emacs.
  - matwood 9y ago
    Thing is, even if you completely ignore wine flavor there is so much to talk about. One, wine is often grown in picturesque areas that make great travel destinations. Wine has it's own battles like oak vs. no oak which brings people to same level of arguing as vi vs. emacs debate. If you're at all a history buff, wine intersects all throughout. Then there are generally cool, geeky things about wine. For example, how the wine in Santorini is cultivated is fascinating: http://www.winesfromsantorini.com/the-vineyard.html http://www.winesfromsantorini.com/the-vineyard.html I don't find any of this pretentious, and more general interesting conversation.
  - upvotinglurker 9y ago
    Is there no topic that you like to discuss at length, that others don't enjoy and wonder why it is important to you?
- bbarn 9y ago
  I went to a wedding celebration for friends that eloped recently. It was put on by a wealthy friend of theirs, who happened to be a bit of a wine fanatic. He had hundreds of bottles worth hundreds of dollars each, and basically said "enjoy whatever you want" to the guests. Most of us were drinking what was already opened, or even the beer in the cooler.. but one guy... one guy, had to talk about every bottle. Go through a glorious ceremony for each. Find the perfect glasses, and people to talk to about it. It got pretty annoying, to the point the wine loving host himself was like, great to meet you, but why don't you and I get together some other time, let's focus on (couple's name) instead. There you have two kinds of wine fans, one I like, one I couldn't stand being around. My mother is a third kind, the one obsessed with finding the highest quality to cost ratio she can. I'm not sure how I feel about her :)
  - Avshalom 9y ago
    I mean I guess but again you anecdote here is that one time one guy, while everyone was drinking wine, started talking about wine.
  - TylerE 9y ago
    To play devil's advocate: If you're going to break open the good stuff, drink it right, and proper glassware _does_ matter. Don't be the dude who grabs a bottle of my good scotch and pours it on ice in a rocks glass. The bottle of Jameson was right next door for a reason.

staticautomatic 9y ago

Sure they do. I used to work in the wine industry. It's full of people who love to talk about wine. Most of it is complete and utter bullshit, and don't get me started on reviews (Has anyone done NLP work on wine reviews? I suspect they're mostly indistinguishable from each other).

Chathamization 9y ago

I'd say it's not so much about how often people talk about wine, but how they approach wine in general. For example, there's a group of wine selections that I've found to be pretty tasty (and often pretty affordable, with many in the $15-$25 range). I went into a busy wine store in an affluent neighborhood and asked the people in the wine department if they had any wines of that select, and they looked at me as if I was from the moon. They told me that's not the way wine is organized - they wanted me to give them a price point and tell them if it's red or white. That's how a lot of people approach wine: "I want to spend N dollars on a X color wine." (I went to a smaller wine shop near a college, and they knew just who I was talking about) People have said it's like talking about Vim vs Emacs, and it is somewhat, but it's like hearing people who have never used Vim or Emacs talk about Vim vs Emacs. Have you ever come across those conversations? Everyone is just repeating things they read and saying what they believe the common consensus is, and no one is thinking for themselves.