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> The world already saw once what happens when you don't prevent Nazis at all costs, we don't need to repeat history. Did you know that during the rise of Hitl

> The world already saw once what happens when you don't prevent Nazis at all costs, we don't need to repeat history. Did you know that during the rise of Hitler, there were almost daily violent clashes - many of them resulting in murders - between right wing and left wing extremists? It was not like the anti-Nazis wren't trying to "prevent nazis at all cost". But using street violence against street violence only serves to destroy rule of law, and whoever wins the violent clashes, democracy loses.

mschuster91 9y ago
> But using street violence against street violence only serves to destroy rule of law Which rule of law? A state that outright finances and supports right-wing terrorists (e.g. NSU), actively looks away when Nazis are terrorizing entire neighborhoods while at the same time heavily repressing anti-fascist activity does not deserve to be called a state with a "rule of law". As for the street murders and street clashes, most of the time these were provoked by the SA marching and rioting through worker hoods (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-Aufmarsch_in_Braunschweig https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-Aufmarsch_in_Braunschweig).
adventured 9y ago
Antifa is tolerated - often more than tolerated - despite being a violent hate group. They aggressively use violence, they aren't subtle about it, and they practically worship extremist left ideology. Everyone should be asking why that is being tolerated. It's solely due to the media having an extreme left bias. They've conditioned hundreds of millions of people in the developed world to regard the mass slaughter & genocide of left regimes in the 20th century as dramatically less important, and not fundamentally evil, versus what the fascists did. Michael Bloomberg had a nice article about the increasingly broadening ideological bias problem on the left: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/jeff-sessions-has-a-point-about-free-speech https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/jeff-sess...
- mschuster91 9y ago
  > They've conditioned hundreds of millions of people in the developed world to regard the mass slaughter & genocide of left regimes in the 20th century as dramatically less important, and not fundamentally evil, versus what the fascists did. While there certainly are tankies (aka people who worship Stalin, Mao and Tito) as part of the Antifa, they are by far not the majority. In fact, many left-libertarians despise the authoritarian tankies as much as every other educated citizen.
- ionised 9y ago
  It's solely due to the media having an extreme left bias. Are we living on the same planet?
mjcl 9y ago
What stopped the Nazis?
- altstar 9y ago
  the war?

mschuster91 9y ago

> But using street violence against street violence only serves to destroy rule of law Which rule of law? A state that outright finances and supports right-wing terrorists (e.g. NSU), actively looks away when Nazis are terrorizing entire neighborhoods while at the same time heavily repressing anti-fascist activity does not deserve to be called a state with a "rule of law". As for the street murders and street clashes, most of the time these were provoked by the SA marching and rioting through worker hoods (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-Aufmarsch_in_Braunschweig https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-Aufmarsch_in_Braunschweig).

adventured 9y ago

Antifa is tolerated - often more than tolerated - despite being a violent hate group. They aggressively use violence, they aren't subtle about it, and they practically worship extremist left ideology. Everyone should be asking why that is being tolerated. It's solely due to the media having an extreme left bias. They've conditioned hundreds of millions of people in the developed world to regard the mass slaughter & genocide of left regimes in the 20th century as dramatically less important, and not fundamentally evil, versus what the fascists did. Michael Bloomberg had a nice article about the increasingly broadening ideological bias problem on the left: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/jeff-sessions-has-a-point-about-free-speech https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/jeff-sess...

mschuster91 9y ago
> They've conditioned hundreds of millions of people in the developed world to regard the mass slaughter & genocide of left regimes in the 20th century as dramatically less important, and not fundamentally evil, versus what the fascists did. While there certainly are tankies (aka people who worship Stalin, Mao and Tito) as part of the Antifa, they are by far not the majority. In fact, many left-libertarians despise the authoritarian tankies as much as every other educated citizen.
ionised 9y ago
It's solely due to the media having an extreme left bias. Are we living on the same planet?

mjcl 9y ago

What stopped the Nazis?

altstar 9y ago
the war?