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> Anyways, it’s not that complex to tackle this. A few changes in your habits should do the trick. This is complete garbage. The fact is, there is nothing you

> Anyways, it’s not that complex to tackle this. A few changes in your habits should do the trick. This is complete garbage. The fact is, there is nothing you do to do 100% reverse the effects of sitting all day. You can maybe improve things by 20% or something like that. Progressive people keep hoping that you can use some kind of technology to change things but you can't. Standing desks don't do anything, standing up every hour doesn't do anything. There is nothing you can do. We are designed a certain way and if we don't live that way our health suffers greatly. The only solution is to go back to living that way no matter how hard you try to believe anything else.

yaseer 9y ago
> The only solution is to go back to living that way no matter how hard you try to believe anything else. Nobody can confidently assert this now; you are stating your belief, not a fact. We would need to do longitudinal studies on all the alternatives (standing desks, periodic walking) to be able to build up a picture. To my knowledge, that has not yet been done. It may take decades to build up a picture. Until then, people can choose options based on existing theories. In time, those theories will either be validated or refuted, but they have not yet been.
- ruleordie 9y ago
  > Nobody can confidently assert this now; you are stating your belief, not a fact. What does confidently asserting something have to do with a lack of scientific proof? Personal experience allows people to confidently assert things. > We would need to do longitudinal studies on all the alternatives (standing desks, periodic walking) to be able to build up a picture. To my knowledge, that has not yet been done. It may take decades to build up a picture. You can build up a picture on the previous decades where everything has failed. Technology has failed. Standing desks have failed. Current "workstations" were the solution to previous problems, and they have failed. Everything has failed. We are at a turning point where non-science religion people have realised that we can't keep going down the same path while technological messiahs keep claiming the future will be great. We can look back at the decline in human health. Why do we need tooth paste? It isn't a revolutionary new advance, it is a way to make our teeth slightly better but never better than before farming and industrialisation.
arcticfox 9y ago
> This is complete garbage Citation? Because there are a lot of studies on the positive impact of exercise. And there are plenty of very healthy people that spend most of the day sitting but implement spaced exercise plans.
- ruleordie 9y ago
  I am not a science article, I am telling you my beliefs, which I am 100% certain are true. Maybe in 600 years, science will be able to tell you the same thing? > Because there are a lot of studies on the positive impact of exercise. None of those studies say "this 100% reverses the effects of sitting". > And there are plenty of very healthy people that spend most of the day sitting but implement spaced exercise plans. I know experts in health and fitness who spend a lot of the time at the gym who will even admit to you that they can't get their body right. You can watch them implementing standing desks and various things and constantly trying to implement new things. None of them are working because they are constantly still trying to implement new ways to correct their sitting around all day. It will never work because there is no technology solution to anything and there never has been. There is no technological solution to climate change. You can't have 7 billion people on the earth. There is nothing you can do.
- ruleordie 9y ago
  I can find quotes from experts in human movement that will say it is impossible to get the muscles back to how they would be if you weren't sitting all day. Your muscles are fixed in a position. I know pretty much everything there is to know about the muscles involved. The hip flexors are constantly shortened from sitting all day. Some of them attach to your leg, others to your spine. You cannot spend an hour in the gym or stretching and fix 8 hours of sitting. It is simply impossible. I have tried everything you can do. You can strengthen the hip extensors such as the glutes and hamstrings, but it still doesn't work. You can stretch the hip flexors and it still won't work. It just improves things a bit. You will find people all over the internet say "how do I fix my anterior pelvic tilt", and they will continue asking the same questions forever because there are no 100% solutions.
LARGEGALAXY 9y ago
To reverse the effects of sitting all day, you must stand and move for (most) of the day. How would that entail only a 20% improvement? To me, that would entail an 80% improvement or more. Let's now imagine you transition from a sitting desk, to a standing desk (with a treadmill) and you now spend your entire day at the office in a stand-up position. It isn't the same as being a hunter gatherer in the forest, but I would hypothesize it does more than 20% to improve the situation.
carapace 9y ago
Image search for "new guinea tribes" shows a lot of people who look pretty physically fit. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=new+guinea+tribes&t=hb&iax=1&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=new+guinea+tribes&t=hb&iax=1&ia=im...

yaseer 9y ago

> The only solution is to go back to living that way no matter how hard you try to believe anything else. Nobody can confidently assert this now; you are stating your belief, not a fact. We would need to do longitudinal studies on all the alternatives (standing desks, periodic walking) to be able to build up a picture. To my knowledge, that has not yet been done. It may take decades to build up a picture. Until then, people can choose options based on existing theories. In time, those theories will either be validated or refuted, but they have not yet been.

ruleordie 9y ago
> Nobody can confidently assert this now; you are stating your belief, not a fact. What does confidently asserting something have to do with a lack of scientific proof? Personal experience allows people to confidently assert things. > We would need to do longitudinal studies on all the alternatives (standing desks, periodic walking) to be able to build up a picture. To my knowledge, that has not yet been done. It may take decades to build up a picture. You can build up a picture on the previous decades where everything has failed. Technology has failed. Standing desks have failed. Current "workstations" were the solution to previous problems, and they have failed. Everything has failed. We are at a turning point where non-science religion people have realised that we can't keep going down the same path while technological messiahs keep claiming the future will be great. We can look back at the decline in human health. Why do we need tooth paste? It isn't a revolutionary new advance, it is a way to make our teeth slightly better but never better than before farming and industrialisation.

arcticfox 9y ago

> This is complete garbage Citation? Because there are a lot of studies on the positive impact of exercise. And there are plenty of very healthy people that spend most of the day sitting but implement spaced exercise plans.

ruleordie 9y ago
I am not a science article, I am telling you my beliefs, which I am 100% certain are true. Maybe in 600 years, science will be able to tell you the same thing? > Because there are a lot of studies on the positive impact of exercise. None of those studies say "this 100% reverses the effects of sitting". > And there are plenty of very healthy people that spend most of the day sitting but implement spaced exercise plans. I know experts in health and fitness who spend a lot of the time at the gym who will even admit to you that they can't get their body right. You can watch them implementing standing desks and various things and constantly trying to implement new things. None of them are working because they are constantly still trying to implement new ways to correct their sitting around all day. It will never work because there is no technology solution to anything and there never has been. There is no technological solution to climate change. You can't have 7 billion people on the earth. There is nothing you can do.
ruleordie 9y ago
I can find quotes from experts in human movement that will say it is impossible to get the muscles back to how they would be if you weren't sitting all day. Your muscles are fixed in a position. I know pretty much everything there is to know about the muscles involved. The hip flexors are constantly shortened from sitting all day. Some of them attach to your leg, others to your spine. You cannot spend an hour in the gym or stretching and fix 8 hours of sitting. It is simply impossible. I have tried everything you can do. You can strengthen the hip extensors such as the glutes and hamstrings, but it still doesn't work. You can stretch the hip flexors and it still won't work. It just improves things a bit. You will find people all over the internet say "how do I fix my anterior pelvic tilt", and they will continue asking the same questions forever because there are no 100% solutions.

LARGEGALAXY 9y ago

To reverse the effects of sitting all day, you must stand and move for (most) of the day. How would that entail only a 20% improvement? To me, that would entail an 80% improvement or more. Let's now imagine you transition from a sitting desk, to a standing desk (with a treadmill) and you now spend your entire day at the office in a stand-up position. It isn't the same as being a hunter gatherer in the forest, but I would hypothesize it does more than 20% to improve the situation.

carapace 9y ago

Image search for "new guinea tribes" shows a lot of people who look pretty physically fit. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=new+guinea+tribes&t=hb&iax=1&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=new+guinea+tribes&t=hb&iax=1&ia=im...