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This illustrates that if drivers feel less safe then they drive more safely and pay attention more. It is one of motivations for removing all signage so driver

by llukas 9y ago

This illustrates that if drivers feel less safe then they drive more safely and pay attention more. It is one of motivations for removing all signage so drivers feel less safe permamently. http://thecityfix.com/blog/naked-streets-without-traffic-lights-improve-flow-and-safety/ http://thecityfix.com/blog/naked-streets-without-traffic-lig... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/04/removal-road-markings-safer-fewer-accidents-drivers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/04/remova...

brianberns 9y ago
I think that removing all signage would have a similar effect: short-term reduction in accidents, but then a rebound (or worse) once drivers adapt.
- apsdsm 9y ago
  Okay, fine. Then we ramp it up by employing hundreds of clowns to hide in the bushes on the side of the road and jump out when the driver least expects it.
  - brianberns 9y ago
    Hah. I say we skip the middlemen and deliver electric shocks directly to the driver's hands through the steering wheel at random intervals.
  - notatoad 9y ago
    in denmark, they tried using topless women for speed control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb07a2YGDKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb07a2YGDKM
- mikeash 9y ago
  Replace all the signs once the rebound begins, and you’ll re-befuddle everyone. Take the signs back down once that rebound hits, and repeat.
userbinator 9y ago
One only has to look at huge crowded Asian cities, where signage is present but effectively ignored, to see that removing signage doesn't really help. The accident rates are just as high if not more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...
- Jedd 9y ago
  Certainly there's plenty of places I've been a passenger in Asia and India where I would never try to drive -- but I think you're conflating 'remove signage' with 'keep signage (but assume all of it is ignored by everyone, all the time)'.
- ineedasername 9y ago
  It can't just be poor, it must be deliberately misleading signage, "smart", dynamically adaptive, evolving. And more than just signs: a large system of automated aerial observation drones, satellites, the whole sky. All networked together. The branding is simple though, just call it NetSky, or SkyNet.
- hrktb 9y ago
  This list is interesting bu difficult to interpret as cultural context is completely different. Most of the countries with huge crowded cities where road rules are basically ignored also have a huge amount of people scrapping by and who could just disappear the next day for any other reason (hygiene issues, hunger, criminality, social status) Looking at the list of countries with 15+ deaths by 100 000 people, IMO the price of a random single life is perceived as way lower than in Switzerland for instance. People in that context won’t de driving the same way as they would in a different country, or their government wouldn’t let people ignore circulations rules in the first place.
- Fnoord 9y ago
  Keep in mind that's traffic death, not accidents. Accidents are dramatic for everyone who's involved, and that is quite a lot of people: first and foremost the victim (with which exact damage? Anything permanent? Not taken into account by these statistics). Also, the suspect, the insurance company, innocent bystanders who are held up and need to be rerouted, and ultimately the taxpayer.
sitkack 9y ago
This actually holds for roads. Large wide roads are driven at higher speeds and more fatal for pedestrians. The technique now is to make the road narrow enough to cause traffic to slow down.
nileshtrivedi 9y ago
That seems similar to the economics concept of Sharpe ratio (Return divide by Risk). Behaviours will change till the time all opportunities in life offer equal risk-adjusted return.

by llukas 9y ago

brianberns 9y ago

I think that removing all signage would have a similar effect: short-term reduction in accidents, but then a rebound (or worse) once drivers adapt.

apsdsm 9y ago
Okay, fine. Then we ramp it up by employing hundreds of clowns to hide in the bushes on the side of the road and jump out when the driver least expects it.
- brianberns 9y ago
  Hah. I say we skip the middlemen and deliver electric shocks directly to the driver's hands through the steering wheel at random intervals.
- notatoad 9y ago
  in denmark, they tried using topless women for speed control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb07a2YGDKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb07a2YGDKM
mikeash 9y ago
Replace all the signs once the rebound begins, and you’ll re-befuddle everyone. Take the signs back down once that rebound hits, and repeat.

userbinator 9y ago

One only has to look at huge crowded Asian cities, where signage is present but effectively ignored, to see that removing signage doesn't really help. The accident rates are just as high if not more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...

Jedd 9y ago
Certainly there's plenty of places I've been a passenger in Asia and India where I would never try to drive -- but I think you're conflating 'remove signage' with 'keep signage (but assume all of it is ignored by everyone, all the time)'.
ineedasername 9y ago
It can't just be poor, it must be deliberately misleading signage, "smart", dynamically adaptive, evolving. And more than just signs: a large system of automated aerial observation drones, satellites, the whole sky. All networked together. The branding is simple though, just call it NetSky, or SkyNet.
hrktb 9y ago
This list is interesting bu difficult to interpret as cultural context is completely different. Most of the countries with huge crowded cities where road rules are basically ignored also have a huge amount of people scrapping by and who could just disappear the next day for any other reason (hygiene issues, hunger, criminality, social status) Looking at the list of countries with 15+ deaths by 100 000 people, IMO the price of a random single life is perceived as way lower than in Switzerland for instance. People in that context won’t de driving the same way as they would in a different country, or their government wouldn’t let people ignore circulations rules in the first place.
Fnoord 9y ago
Keep in mind that's traffic death, not accidents. Accidents are dramatic for everyone who's involved, and that is quite a lot of people: first and foremost the victim (with which exact damage? Anything permanent? Not taken into account by these statistics). Also, the suspect, the insurance company, innocent bystanders who are held up and need to be rerouted, and ultimately the taxpayer.

sitkack 9y ago

This actually holds for roads. Large wide roads are driven at higher speeds and more fatal for pedestrians. The technique now is to make the road narrow enough to cause traffic to slow down.

nileshtrivedi 9y ago

That seems similar to the economics concept of Sharpe ratio (Return divide by Risk). Behaviours will change till the time all opportunities in life offer equal risk-adjusted return.