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Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard? Prove to me that Googl

Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard? Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection. Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.

ryanpollock 9y ago
just sign into Chrome, and visit myactivity.google.com you'll see your browsing history, which unless you have a preference turned off deep within settings, Google may then use to target advertising.
freehunter 9y ago
There are an awful lot of green user names lately shutting down conversations using things like "citation needed" or "prove it" on subjects where it's completely inconsequential or the conclusion is obvious. Everyone can easily see how old your account is and the devs of HN made it that way on purpose. Apologies if anyone here isn't willing to bend over backwards for the demands of an account that wasn't even created the last time I filled up my car's gas tank. Google made a name for themselves giving away very expensive products for free because it furthered their tracking and advertising network. It's not only safe to assume Chrome is the same way, it's dangerous to think otherwise. Google paid $3b for DoubleClick 10 years ago, that wasn't wasted money.
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- Dylan16807 9y ago
  Is my account old enough for you? Sure, it "furthers their tracking and advertising network". But do they track you through chrome, as asked?
  - ShabbosGoy 9y ago
    Chromium has been found to phone home on a regular basis. The data (or metadata) that is sent back is most likely beneficial for Google. I have Google Analytics on my startup's SPA when it can't even be crawled by Google due to the framework we use. The only logical explanation is that Chrome sends data back on the sites you visit.
    - Karunamon 9y ago
      Let's do a quick thought experiment and imagine all the completely legitimate reasons that a browser might have to call home. Off the top of my head: * Any of the disableable features like safe browsing * Addon code update checks (chrome web store) * Certificate pinning list updates * CA certificate bundle updates * Browser code update checks * Uploading crash reports * HSTS list updates * Settings synching I also believe Firefox has analogues for every single one of these.
      - ShabbosGoy 9y ago
        You've described perfectly valid use cases for a browser to request additional information. But I think we can both agree that collecting data for the purpose of improving a specific product that Google owns (outside of Chrome itself) is wrong.
        yuhong 9y ago
        The point is that whether there is any actual examples though.
      - notzorbo3 9y ago
        Just because there are legitimate reasons for sending all that data doesn't mean it's not also usable to track you or whatever. In fact, having all that data in the first place lowers the barrier to start using it for other things. We've seen that happen countless times. What it comes down to is that Chrome sends a whole bunch of information about me to a company who's main product is serving ads. I don't know exactly what data they send or how they use it, and that in and of itself is a major problem. In the end, sure, Firefox does the same things. But Mozilla's core business isn't selling my personal information to the highest bidder, so I trust them more than I do Google.
- Karunamon 9y ago
  This kind of personal attacking is totally uncalled for here. Either their statement is correct or it is not, either Chrome is doing tracking on the sly or it is not. Either there is proof, or there is not. The burden of proof is on the one making the argument. So which is it?
  - freehunter 9y ago
    >This kind of personal attacking is totally uncalled for here. If that was true, new accounts wouldn't be clearly marked as green in the comments.
  - skinnymuch 9y ago
    But we are talking about green accounts here. Literally colored green usernames. Why is HN doing that if not to indicate they are new accounts?
    - Karunamon 9y ago
      What does the age of their account have to do with the correctness of their statements or the attempt by GP to shift the burden of proof?
      - skinnymuch 9y ago
        I'm just curious why HN highlights new users. Why do you think they do? HN already tries to take action against "aggressive" accounts or astroturfing with ghosting them, so it seems possible because of that, that they highlight new accounts for similar possible reasons.
- Qwertious 9y ago
  >Everyone can easily see how old your account is How is that relevant? Astroturfers etc have been buying old well-historied accounts for ages now, so it's not a very reliable method of distinguishing shills anymore. It's only useful for sockpuppets and amateur shills.
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asadotzler 9y ago
If you sign in to Chrome, your history is game for ad matching according to Google https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139
- JamesFM 9y ago
  Sure, but if you sign into your Google account on any browser it does the same thing. It's not unique to Chrome. There are additional sync options that are available to Chrome, but those are all opt in.

ryanpollock 9y ago

just sign into Chrome, and visit myactivity.google.com you'll see your browsing history, which unless you have a preference turned off deep within settings, Google may then use to target advertising.

freehunter 9y ago

There are an awful lot of green user names lately shutting down conversations using things like "citation needed" or "prove it" on subjects where it's completely inconsequential or the conclusion is obvious. Everyone can easily see how old your account is and the devs of HN made it that way on purpose. Apologies if anyone here isn't willing to bend over backwards for the demands of an account that wasn't even created the last time I filled up my car's gas tank. Google made a name for themselves giving away very expensive products for free because it furthered their tracking and advertising network. It's not only safe to assume Chrome is the same way, it's dangerous to think otherwise. Google paid $3b for DoubleClick 10 years ago, that wasn't wasted money.

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Dylan16807 9y ago
Is my account old enough for you? Sure, it "furthers their tracking and advertising network". But do they track you through chrome, as asked?
- ShabbosGoy 9y ago
  Chromium has been found to phone home on a regular basis. The data (or metadata) that is sent back is most likely beneficial for Google. I have Google Analytics on my startup's SPA when it can't even be crawled by Google due to the framework we use. The only logical explanation is that Chrome sends data back on the sites you visit.
  - Karunamon 9y ago
    Let's do a quick thought experiment and imagine all the completely legitimate reasons that a browser might have to call home. Off the top of my head: * Any of the disableable features like safe browsing * Addon code update checks (chrome web store) * Certificate pinning list updates * CA certificate bundle updates * Browser code update checks * Uploading crash reports * HSTS list updates * Settings synching I also believe Firefox has analogues for every single one of these.
    - ShabbosGoy 9y ago
      You've described perfectly valid use cases for a browser to request additional information. But I think we can both agree that collecting data for the purpose of improving a specific product that Google owns (outside of Chrome itself) is wrong.
      - yuhong 9y ago
        The point is that whether there is any actual examples though.
    - notzorbo3 9y ago
      Just because there are legitimate reasons for sending all that data doesn't mean it's not also usable to track you or whatever. In fact, having all that data in the first place lowers the barrier to start using it for other things. We've seen that happen countless times. What it comes down to is that Chrome sends a whole bunch of information about me to a company who's main product is serving ads. I don't know exactly what data they send or how they use it, and that in and of itself is a major problem. In the end, sure, Firefox does the same things. But Mozilla's core business isn't selling my personal information to the highest bidder, so I trust them more than I do Google.
Karunamon 9y ago
This kind of personal attacking is totally uncalled for here. Either their statement is correct or it is not, either Chrome is doing tracking on the sly or it is not. Either there is proof, or there is not. The burden of proof is on the one making the argument. So which is it?
- freehunter 9y ago
  >This kind of personal attacking is totally uncalled for here. If that was true, new accounts wouldn't be clearly marked as green in the comments.
- skinnymuch 9y ago
  But we are talking about green accounts here. Literally colored green usernames. Why is HN doing that if not to indicate they are new accounts?
  - Karunamon 9y ago
    What does the age of their account have to do with the correctness of their statements or the attempt by GP to shift the burden of proof?
    - skinnymuch 9y ago
      I'm just curious why HN highlights new users. Why do you think they do? HN already tries to take action against "aggressive" accounts or astroturfing with ghosting them, so it seems possible because of that, that they highlight new accounts for similar possible reasons.
Qwertious 9y ago
>Everyone can easily see how old your account is How is that relevant? Astroturfers etc have been buying old well-historied accounts for ages now, so it's not a very reliable method of distinguishing shills anymore. It's only useful for sockpuppets and amateur shills.

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asadotzler 9y ago

If you sign in to Chrome, your history is game for ad matching according to Google https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139

JamesFM 9y ago
Sure, but if you sign into your Google account on any browser it does the same thing. It's not unique to Chrome. There are additional sync options that are available to Chrome, but those are all opt in.