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Oh, no, I absolutely agree that biometrics overall increase security for everyone. My argument is entirely a pedantic one. FaceID is clearly an improvement prec

by dmd 9y ago

Oh, no, I absolutely agree that biometrics overall increase security for everyone. My argument is entirely a pedantic one. FaceID is clearly an improvement precisely because it makes stealing your "original" biometrics much more difficult.

MBCook 9y ago
But that’s all we’ve seen in EVERY thread about FaceID. “Biometrics are evil because you can’t change them.” Or “They’re usernames/passwords/whatever.” Or “FaceID can be subverted by a nation state with 3 years and $75 trillion”. Or “You can just unlock it with a single picture from Twitter.” And of course “If only they added an esoteric and complex method of unlocking a fake environment under duress by winking the word tomato backward in French Morse code...” None of it seems helpful. Using a FaceID discussion to argue TouchID is insecure... seems pointless. The arguments about how it can be bypassed (supposedly) with JUST a 3D printer and thousands of high resolution photos and a video of you looking into a camera and........ come on. This stuff would be unbelievable in an Oceans 11 sequel. And people argue as if FaceID has to be perfect when it replaces a fingerprint (which is easier to fake) or basically nothing. We’re not securing the Crown Jewels here. We’re trying to keep the guy next to you at the bar from tweeting as you. So in the end there is no useful on top discussion. It’s just a irrelevant story that people can use to tell about their pet biometric issues even when they don’t fit. People are still arguing about things Apple said during the initial keynote. The only one I don’t see from before is the ‘will it work in the dark’ question which Apple explicitly mentioned in the keynote. I want to know more about FaceID from people who know more about security. Instead we’re discussing how the technology it replaced is bad and fringe internet conspiracy theory level nonsense. Edit to add one more thing: maybe this is rose colored glasses but I don’t remember the threads around TouchID being anywhere near this bad. People argued over how easy it was to get a fingerprint, sure. That’s fair. But the rest of the discussion seemed much more relevant.

by dmd 9y ago

MBCook 9y ago

But that’s all we’ve seen in EVERY thread about FaceID. “Biometrics are evil because you can’t change them.” Or “They’re usernames/passwords/whatever.” Or “FaceID can be subverted by a nation state with 3 years and $75 trillion”. Or “You can just unlock it with a single picture from Twitter.” And of course “If only they added an esoteric and complex method of unlocking a fake environment under duress by winking the word tomato backward in French Morse code...” None of it seems helpful. Using a FaceID discussion to argue TouchID is insecure... seems pointless. The arguments about how it can be bypassed (supposedly) with JUST a 3D printer and thousands of high resolution photos and a video of you looking into a camera and........ come on. This stuff would be unbelievable in an Oceans 11 sequel. And people argue as if FaceID has to be perfect when it replaces a fingerprint (which is easier to fake) or basically nothing. We’re not securing the Crown Jewels here. We’re trying to keep the guy next to you at the bar from tweeting as you. So in the end there is no useful on top discussion. It’s just a irrelevant story that people can use to tell about their pet biometric issues even when they don’t fit. People are still arguing about things Apple said during the initial keynote. The only one I don’t see from before is the ‘will it work in the dark’ question which Apple explicitly mentioned in the keynote. I want to know more about FaceID from people who know more about security. Instead we’re discussing how the technology it replaced is bad and fringe internet conspiracy theory level nonsense. Edit to add one more thing: maybe this is rose colored glasses but I don’t remember the threads around TouchID being anywhere near this bad. People argued over how easy it was to get a fingerprint, sure. That’s fair. But the rest of the discussion seemed much more relevant.