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No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting

No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable.

dsacco 9y ago
Do you have a citation on hand for this? I’m not familiar with the industry or incumbents and don’t know one way or the other.
- chillydawg 9y ago
  I think the CEO of cloudflare is a pretty decent authoritative source for such a statement.
  - dsacco 9y ago
    Okay, but (candidly) he's also selling something, so isn't an independent citation valuable? Is it wrong to ask for more information?
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    The same CEO that also happens to be marketing a new product? Do you really believe that all statements made by CEOs should be accepted without question?
    - chillydawg 9y ago
      Obviously not, and I'm not saying that. I think believing this statement from this ceo at this time is reasonable. The research he did to come to his numbers is probably independent and you probably won't be able to find a citation as everyone on here is constantly crying for for every minor assumption. What motivation does he have to lie about this particular number? His track record on honesty to date is good and the company is forthright in its dealings, from what I have seen. This isn't one of the google or microsoft boys trying to sell you on some shite AI in return for a high def feed from you eyes 24/7.
bogomipz 9y ago
Could you please provide a citation for that figure of only 1K companies doing any meaningful and interesting scale. Also what does "meaningful and interesting scale" mean? What is the criteria? This all sounds like typical Cloudfalre marketing bullshit.
- dsacco 9y ago
  To be fair, while he isn’t giving hard answers to a lot of questions in this thread, you’re being really antagonistic with that last line. I’d like more information too, but it doesn’t improve the odds he’ll answer to your satisfaction by publicly calling him out.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    I didn't think it was antagonisti, it certainly wan't meant to antagonize anyone. I apologize if it comes off that way. I've simply grown tired of the perpetual Cloudflare marketing machine and the lack of citation of the figures they throw around in these regular marketing posts.
- cortesoft 9y ago
  Sure, that is easy - 'meaningful and interesting scale' is the amount of streaming that the 1000th largest video streamer does! So simple!
88 9y ago
Is the solution to video streaming being overly centralized really to centralize everything under one CDN?
- nulagrithom 9y ago
  Well, currently we're centralizing it all under YouTube so... While I'm not the biggest Cloudflare fan I definitely welcome this move.
KGIII 9y ago
Why should there be 100x more? Video is not optimal for lots of information. It's not interactive or easy to cite and reference. It is bandwidth intense and typically has a lower information density per byte than text has. There are plenty of places for video, but I am not so sure we need more of it. I'd say the tendency to put more content into video format is an overall negative trend.
- chii 9y ago
  Whether some info is in video format is irrelevant. The fact is, the only platform for video, right now, which can work is youtube. If you host your own video instead, it both has a high cost, and low rate of returns. If cloudflare can make hosting your own video more cost effective, it is a plus for the internet. I don't want youtube to be so dominant that they can start doing things like censoring and curating.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    My comment was about them asserting there should be 100x the video content. Why should there be? It's a pretty horrible way to share information, in all but a few situations.
    - always_good 9y ago
      CloudFlare isn't saying there should be 100x more videos. They're saying that they can make it easy / viable / cheap enough that 100x more self-hosted video providers could exist.
      - KGIII 9y ago
        > No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable. Emphasis mine. That's exactly what it looks like to me, more so when I look at it in context with the rest of the comment they made?
edoceo 9y ago
Increase supply to increase demand! Never fails.
- lytedev 9y ago
  Is this sarcasm? There's already a big demand for competition for YouTube and this seems to be a move that makes this possible.
reggieband 9y ago
What do you define as "meaningful and interesting scale"? I happen to work directly in this space and I want to know if you think my traffic numbers are meaningful.

dsacco 9y ago

Do you have a citation on hand for this? I’m not familiar with the industry or incumbents and don’t know one way or the other.

chillydawg 9y ago
I think the CEO of cloudflare is a pretty decent authoritative source for such a statement.
- dsacco 9y ago
  Okay, but (candidly) he's also selling something, so isn't an independent citation valuable? Is it wrong to ask for more information?
- bogomipz 9y ago
  The same CEO that also happens to be marketing a new product? Do you really believe that all statements made by CEOs should be accepted without question?
  - chillydawg 9y ago
    Obviously not, and I'm not saying that. I think believing this statement from this ceo at this time is reasonable. The research he did to come to his numbers is probably independent and you probably won't be able to find a citation as everyone on here is constantly crying for for every minor assumption. What motivation does he have to lie about this particular number? His track record on honesty to date is good and the company is forthright in its dealings, from what I have seen. This isn't one of the google or microsoft boys trying to sell you on some shite AI in return for a high def feed from you eyes 24/7.

bogomipz 9y ago

Could you please provide a citation for that figure of only 1K companies doing any meaningful and interesting scale. Also what does "meaningful and interesting scale" mean? What is the criteria? This all sounds like typical Cloudfalre marketing bullshit.

dsacco 9y ago
To be fair, while he isn’t giving hard answers to a lot of questions in this thread, you’re being really antagonistic with that last line. I’d like more information too, but it doesn’t improve the odds he’ll answer to your satisfaction by publicly calling him out.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  I didn't think it was antagonisti, it certainly wan't meant to antagonize anyone. I apologize if it comes off that way. I've simply grown tired of the perpetual Cloudflare marketing machine and the lack of citation of the figures they throw around in these regular marketing posts.
cortesoft 9y ago
Sure, that is easy - 'meaningful and interesting scale' is the amount of streaming that the 1000th largest video streamer does! So simple!

88 9y ago

Is the solution to video streaming being overly centralized really to centralize everything under one CDN?

nulagrithom 9y ago
Well, currently we're centralizing it all under YouTube so... While I'm not the biggest Cloudflare fan I definitely welcome this move.

KGIII 9y ago

Why should there be 100x more? Video is not optimal for lots of information. It's not interactive or easy to cite and reference. It is bandwidth intense and typically has a lower information density per byte than text has. There are plenty of places for video, but I am not so sure we need more of it. I'd say the tendency to put more content into video format is an overall negative trend.

chii 9y ago
Whether some info is in video format is irrelevant. The fact is, the only platform for video, right now, which can work is youtube. If you host your own video instead, it both has a high cost, and low rate of returns. If cloudflare can make hosting your own video more cost effective, it is a plus for the internet. I don't want youtube to be so dominant that they can start doing things like censoring and curating.
- KGIII 9y ago
  My comment was about them asserting there should be 100x the video content. Why should there be? It's a pretty horrible way to share information, in all but a few situations.
  - always_good 9y ago
    CloudFlare isn't saying there should be 100x more videos. They're saying that they can make it easy / viable / cheap enough that 100x more self-hosted video providers could exist.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      > No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable. Emphasis mine. That's exactly what it looks like to me, more so when I look at it in context with the rest of the comment they made?

edoceo 9y ago

Increase supply to increase demand! Never fails.

lytedev 9y ago
Is this sarcasm? There's already a big demand for competition for YouTube and this seems to be a move that makes this possible.

reggieband 9y ago

What do you define as "meaningful and interesting scale"? I happen to work directly in this space and I want to know if you think my traffic numbers are meaningful.