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“Adobe Flash Player is required for interactive charts”
- pja 9y agoGoogle Finance is a dead product walking: Are there any developers actually working on it at all?
- BerislavLopac 9y agoAny recommendations for a better alternative?
- charlesdm 9y agoWe sell a macOS app on the Mac App Store. Link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/stockfolio-stocks-real-time-stock-portfolio/id1114970564 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/stockfolio-stocks-real-time-.... Free trial version available on our website (website content is in need of updating -- not all features are mentioned on there yet. We're working on a new site)
- Fiahil 9y agoYahoo Finance
- adxlarbi 9y agoI just come to say the same. Yahoo Finance is the best alternative for Google Finance.
- DeepYogurt 9y agoJust tried it and despite being a little cluttered it's pretty good.
- giancarlostoro 9y agoI've always heard great things about Yahoo Finance and I keep the Android app as of recently. They notify me with videos / articles about what's going on in finance which I find handy, it's not too much of it thankfully.
- cm2187 9y agoAnd what strikes me as a finance professional is that I can get live stock prices from the free yahoo finance website, whereas my expensive bloomberg terminal only has 15min delayed stock prices...
- smileysteve 9y agoDon't say that too loud. Most of the exchanges grant uses of real time quotes for non-finance-professionals only.
- tener 9y agoIf you require it surely you can get it if you pay for that?
- sitruc 9y agoI would never have guessed I would migrate from a google product to a yahoo product. What an odd thing this is.
- nikcub 9y agoThere are plenty of gaps in what Google do that Yahoo! do or did better (stocks, sports, news, weather, chat, groups etc). It's a shame they focused on competing against exactly where Google were the strongest.
- sitruc 9y agoI am not sure which company the they is in your second sentence. I think you mean Yahoo and they do have some good services. I haven just always used google products (remember iGoogle?) I have set up yahoo finance and it is lovely but it is just a (small) pain to jump to another site/app ect.
- bastien-brd 9y agoQuandl is pretty good (https://www.quandl.com/ https://www.quandl.com/). It is a unique API (and has a web interface as well) to a collection of financial and economics data sets.
- muleaga 9y agoTeletrader Public Webstation http://www.teletrader.com http://www.teletrader.com (full disclosure, that’s the company I work for)
- tonetheman 9y agoThat is a nice looking web page!
- DonHopkins 9y agoIs there a webinar for webtraining webtrepreneurs how to use a webstation? ;)
- eps 9y ago15 min delay on intraday quotes :-/
- ben_utzer 9y agoSelecting a nation will change automatically language. That's bad. Especially for Switzerland.
- eps 9y agoYep. Same problem here. Also can't search by company's name if it has an apostrophe.
- pmikesell 9y agoI'm going to check it out. As an idea - could you add the ability to import transaction lists (as csv) which have been exported from google finance? Ok so I have this page up and have a new portfolio - how do I add transactions?
- YourCupOTea 9y agotradingview.com for charts
- ctrlrsf 9y agoCNBC charts aren’t too bad. Lots of other crap on the site though.
- dan1234 9y agoIt's certainly not perfect, but I generally use Morningstar for checking funds and prices. They still use Flash for some parts (like portfolio x-ray), but it's not the needed for the simpler charts.
- bradshaw1965 9y agoGrowth of 10K tool on Morningstar is really handy so that you aren't comparing apples to oranges with dividends, splits, etc.
- jsjohnst 9y agoYahoo! Finance (or whatever they call themselves these days)
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- pandemicsyn 9y agoI still use http://finviz.com http://finviz.com a ton. They have a decent screener, and the best charts around.
- unixhero 9y agoYeah but no EURO markets
- inthewoods 9y agowww.tradingview.com Real-time data via BATS, amazing charts/tooling - all done without Flash. Why one of the brokers hasn't bought them yet is beyond me - so much better than 99% of all trading software put out there by the brokers.
- stevenh 9y agoChrome on a Mac here. Did anyone else's ENTIRE SCREEN fade to black for a second upon loading this page? How is that possible?
- geoah 9y agoNope. OS X 10.12.6 Beta (16G8c) Chrome Version 61.0.3163.100 (Official Build) (64-bit)
- ameesdotme 9y agoOff topic: That beta is very buggy and you should consider updating to a more recent one.
- throwanem 9y agoGPU crash, maybe?
- underyx 9y agoA week or so ago this message appeared on the Portfolio page, I assume the Flash Player requirement will be gone soon: > Google Finance is under renovation. As a part of this process, the Portfolios feature won't be available after mid-November 2017. To keep a copy, download your portfolio.
- userbinator 9y agoIf the trends of "renovation" I've seen on other sites are any indication, the Flash requirement will disappear but so will a bunch of other useful features. :-( IMHO if they can't change things without removing functionality, they should just leave well enough alone. They don't have to "support" the old version or do anything special with it; just leave it alone in its current, working, state.
- angus-prune 9y agoBut with flash being deprecated across pretty much every browser and EoL by Adobe, they can't really leave it alone.
- userbinator 9y agoOf course they can. Flash isn't a cloud service. All "deprecated" and "EoL" means is that Adobe isn't going to change the product or provide support. Google could do the same. It will keep working the way it has always worked. There's millions if not more sites out there still with Flash content. I have a collection of SWFs (mostly games) and they still work too. The "this technology is old/deprecated/EoL/unfashionable/etc., let's just delete it all and provide no equivalent replacement, nevermind the fact that it's been working well" attitude is what really pisses off users, including me. Also somewhat like me, they don't really care what technology is as long as it works --- all they see is something which used to work is now broken and they can't do anything about it.
- shoover 9y agoNaturally. Portfolios are the reason I use the product. They give you a quick view of each symbol on the right at finance.google.com, a link to chart each symbol, and the ability to chart the portfolio as a whole. It was all convenient and solid for years. Bye bye.
- Aardwolf 9y agoThe article title is wrong. The real message is: "Adobe Flash Player is required for interactive charts." The title is: "Adobe Flash Player is required for charts" I see a chart without flash, it's just not interactive (but a static rendered image)
- dante_dev 9y agoReally the title should be "Adobe Flash Player is required for finance.google.com interactive charts until they port it to html5"
- pja 9y agoIf Google cared about Google Finance, they would have done that five years ago (or more). It’s clearly in maintenance mode, with the bare minimum spent on it to keep the lights on but no active development.
- giancarlostoro 9y agoWhich is potentially why I've heard for years that Yahoo Finance is really good, in fact probably better considering the amount of attention Yahoo Finance gets. Yahoo is still my go to choice. I only use Google when I am looking up stuff from Google's domain and it shows up as an instant answer.
- smileysteve 9y agoYahoo finance was "better" before Google existed. Google was one of the first to negotiate and implement realtime quotes. But Yahoo had comparison tools, better option chains, investment challenges, etc. I got into investing in middle school because of their investment challenge and virtual portfolios.
- gberger 9y ago(finance.google.com) is already next to the title
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- CharlesDodgson 9y agoit has a very iGoogle feel to it, i expect it will be killed off or refreshed soon.
- ungzd 9y agoThey forgot to turn off this service.
- DonHopkins 9y agoPerhaps they will gradually lower its contrast like a bad hn post, until nobody notices it fade away.
- anilakar 9y agoPeople are complaining about Flash? I've got quite a few stories from doing integration work with refrigeration systems. Mind you, most of these systems are meant to be used daily by the staff at ordinary grocery stores. - One vendor requires a leaky JRE 1.5 to run their configuration tool, originally written for Windows CE around 2007. You need to keep it inside a VM and disable automatic Java updates. - A newer system from the same company requires Flash. Most customers opt for the Java based one, because the newer system is unsuitable for anything but the smallest sites (frozen foods melting at high bus and CPU loads). - The web GUI on another company's product wants a browser Java plugin that accepts unsigned certs. - The web GUI on a third company's product requires the user to accept unsigned certs, even though these systems are never exposed to the internet (RFC 1918 and certificates are inherently incompatible). The GUI is a stateful JSP frameset hell. - Yet another company that no longer makes refrigeration systems requires DOS-based software. Luckily its volume ID based copy protection does not work under Windows XP. EDIT: Fixed line breaks for readability
- wyager 9y agoWhy the hell do grocery store refrigerators require a web GUI? The most complicated computer in the whole system should maybe be an 8-bit microcontroller. For massive industrial-scale refrigeration and storage, it might also make sense to add, say, a serial port.
- arghwhat 9y agoWell, for a fleet of refrigerators, it might be nice to have a place to see data from the entire fleet. Power requirements, temperature, failures or failure indicators, etc. A large supermarket would most likely want something like that. With serial ports, they'd have to design a system themselves, including the boxes to attach to the individual serial ports. Of course, for a technically skilled individual, a serial port is much preferable.
- anilakar 9y agoTemperature logging is mandated by HACCP-related regulations. Without a centralized system one would have store clerks running around with thermometers and a clipboard. The maintenance company can do remote supervision, troubleshooting and optimization. Also, having an overview of all stores helps one pick out the ones that are wasting electricity. Disclaimer: Our company's main product is used to collect data from refrigeration systems into one vendor-independent, Flash-free web UI. We do pretty much everything ranging from web development to reverse engineering and hardware design.
- stephenr 9y agoVMware's private cloud control panel software requires flash (or at least the version I was subjected to did) No charts. No fancy graphics. It's all basic crud stuff. And it's all in flash.
- gwbas1c 9y agoThat's why I quit VMware. That was the only project to work on, and there was no way I was going to spend my career in a dead-end technology like that. It was kind of obvious that HTML was going to take over... Like really obvious.
- alekratz 9y agoVMware 6.5 finally has an HTML5 interface! Woohoo! Too bad it's still a "work in progress" and not actually that useful for the more fine-grained/advanced things (like deploying a new VM or template directly from an OVA file).
- coldcode 9y agoFunny thing is they used to have interactive charts without Flash. But then I've always felt the janitorial staff worked on google.finance. When companies go out of business or merge they stick around in the site for months sometimes. Or ever try the stock screener? What an unsmiling pile of poor. Yet they have the data and the horsepower to do amazing things with it, but since it apparently makes no revenue, its not worth the effort unless the night cleaning folks feel like writing a little code.
- mywittyname 9y agoGoogle doesn't have an public finance API to use for creating a better product, do they?
- jmh530 9y agoThey used to, shut down in 2012. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/google-finance-apis https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/google-finance-apis
- wslh 9y agoI saw the flash player alert yesterday and thought my computer was infected by some malware! I can't believe Google doesn't have a chart control to put there.
- ulfw 9y agoIt's the typical Google development cycle. Build a great product, don't get enough users, engineers lose interest and boom the product is basically sunset. Years later it is either revived or cancelled outright.
- alekratz 9y agoYup, I'm seeing this with Google sites (sort of) right now. Even though they're rolling out a new version, it's pretty much impossible to get a digest of all pages on the old sites with revisions. There is an API to access this data, but it's behind an amalgam of out-of-date documentation and forgotten APIs. edit: clarification
- robmcm 9y agoGoogle reader highlighted this issue. I wonder how many finance apps there could have been if Google had never developed Google Finance.
- Okvivi 9y agoI built those charts on Google Finance. At the time (10 years ago) there was no better alternative for building interactive charting in browsers. After I left Google Finance I feel that the team has attempted a few times to remove Flash, but I don't know why they didn't succeed. Others on this thread are probably right - finance is not enough of a focus for Google, only so many engineering hours, better spent on other parts of Google Finance (more, better and cleaner data) than on replacing something that works well enough.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoGoogle probably has more engineering hours than any other company in the world. I bet they could manage it!
- katastic 9y agoGoogle's issues these days are management and culture, not a lack of talent. Pretty much like every other big company that recently became big. For a smaller (but worse affected) example, look at Wikipedia. The majority of their spending is on management, and "soft jobs" like "PR" and public events. They spend a tiny fraction on the one thing that matters: Hosting bandwidth and upgrading their platform where all of their content they provide comes for free. Till a few years ago they had (IIRC from last time I looked into their docs) like, only 2 or 3 full-time engineers in the entire company for a bulk of their growth until finally adding a bunch more--while adding plenty of other staff. If the majority of their money is coming from those banners, and not outsider backers, there is no excuse for them to spend so much outside their core technology. Universities spend big money outside the college (Football, and grant money)... but it GAINS far more in exchange, so that makes sense. I would hypothesis that as a company employees more and more "assistants" and "assistants of assistants" and the proportion of administration to engineering/research staff grows, a company bogs down with people who don't really contribute as much as they debate (or do nothing at all) in the company. I've seen studies that show that same problem as one of the reasons University costs have risen so much. There's probably an existing term for it akin to the Peter Principle but I'm not aware of it. Basically, Google is an amazing company full of amazing people. But while they're amazing in TECH, that doesn't mean they have equally amazing managers capable of stopping the stagnation and confusion that comes with large companies. Lots of their "open" ideas work well on small and medium scales, but do they scale up? But of course lots of that is more vague than I'd prefer in a comment. So I'd like to emphasis my one real point, as the proportion of # administration to content producers grows, the efficiency of a company drops as it gets bogged down in communication issues and "the usual" office politics. Which I would also hypothesis the majority of politics come from low-end producers (possibly to feel like they're contributing?). We've all worked at companies (and often still do) where we can cite limitless examples of non-producers easily passing HR, but bogging down the content creators by distracting them. Lots of the "leaks" about Google have happened and almost every single one has mentioned office politics, retribution, witchhunts, and blacklists. They could be false. But they seem to have those as common threads among them. ("Where there's smoke there's fire"?) It also goes in line with Google producing much less "world revolution" products and acquiring mass amounts of startups with new ideas. Kind of reminds me of the story of AOL.
- spork12 9y agoCheckout tradingview.com over google finance
- butterfi 9y agoMy place of work used a Java applet for time-card management and just upgraded us to... a flash application. I had to set-up a VM just to manage my timecard because I refuse to install Flash. And this is a major payroll service.