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I signed up several minutes ago, specifically to respond to this baseless and offensive comment, which appears explicitly written to attack China. How do you k

I signed up several minutes ago, specifically to respond to this baseless and offensive comment, which appears explicitly written to attack China. How do you know that it doesn't have comparable safety features to a smart car? Or that the manufacturer's workforce doesn't have comparably good pay and benefits? None of these claims about the company and the car is in the article or publicly available to anyone - I looked. What is your motivation here?

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Ya, China isn't India, safety standards are a bit higher and similar to the west. This especially applies to foreign brand cars made in JVs (we aren't talking about something like a Land Wind X7, where you get what you pay for).
coupdejarnac 9y ago
Well, when I was in a Tier 88 city in China a few weeks ago, I saw a bunch of similar tiny electric cars. I asked my friend what was up with them, because I didn't see them in Shenzhen or Beijing. She laughed and said they were known for tipping over rather easily while turning. Also, it's not uncommon to see people driving jury-rigged tricycles in the boonies. China is not a place I associate with high safety standards.
- squeegee3 9y ago
  This anecdote doesn’t have anything to do with his specific and unfounded claims. Good work defending implicit nationalism with nonsense. Have you ever been to the city limits of Mobile, Alabama? The place stinks of ammonia. Based on this experience, America is not a place I associate with any safety standards. See how that works?
  - coupdejarnac 9y ago
    You haven't done much to substantiate your position either. I can speak at length about things I have seen in China. I still love China, but it's not above criticism.
    - squeegee3 9y ago
      How does one go about proving a falsehood with absolutely no basis in truth? How do I prove the absence of allegedly subpar safety measures and private payroll information of GM? This is not a scientific approach. I substantiated my claim with reference to the article, and extensive information about GM’s vehicle is not present on their website beyond this, which lists a number of comparable safety features to the smart car: http://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2017/July/0721_SAIC-GM-Wuling-Launches-Baojun-E100.html http://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/... Let's stay on track here - this isn't about your irrelevant experiences traveling in China. Trolls use exactly this tactic to waste the time of dubious readers, in an apparent attempt to shift the burden of proof to anybody that’d bother. I'm not going to disprove every vague, unrelated anecdote you're willing to share. I don’t know where you hail from, but as an anglo-American citizen, let me be clear: this jingoistic willingness to support bullshit about American manufacturing in China makes the USA look pathetic and fearful about the rise of competitors. It is feckless to encourage English readers on HN with nonsense - the net effect is to stir readers into underestimating the vast safety engineering talent in China.

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

Ya, China isn't India, safety standards are a bit higher and similar to the west. This especially applies to foreign brand cars made in JVs (we aren't talking about something like a Land Wind X7, where you get what you pay for).

coupdejarnac 9y ago

Well, when I was in a Tier 88 city in China a few weeks ago, I saw a bunch of similar tiny electric cars. I asked my friend what was up with them, because I didn't see them in Shenzhen or Beijing. She laughed and said they were known for tipping over rather easily while turning. Also, it's not uncommon to see people driving jury-rigged tricycles in the boonies. China is not a place I associate with high safety standards.

squeegee3 9y ago
This anecdote doesn’t have anything to do with his specific and unfounded claims. Good work defending implicit nationalism with nonsense. Have you ever been to the city limits of Mobile, Alabama? The place stinks of ammonia. Based on this experience, America is not a place I associate with any safety standards. See how that works?
- coupdejarnac 9y ago
  You haven't done much to substantiate your position either. I can speak at length about things I have seen in China. I still love China, but it's not above criticism.
  - squeegee3 9y ago
    How does one go about proving a falsehood with absolutely no basis in truth? How do I prove the absence of allegedly subpar safety measures and private payroll information of GM? This is not a scientific approach. I substantiated my claim with reference to the article, and extensive information about GM’s vehicle is not present on their website beyond this, which lists a number of comparable safety features to the smart car: http://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2017/July/0721_SAIC-GM-Wuling-Launches-Baojun-E100.html http://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/... Let's stay on track here - this isn't about your irrelevant experiences traveling in China. Trolls use exactly this tactic to waste the time of dubious readers, in an apparent attempt to shift the burden of proof to anybody that’d bother. I'm not going to disprove every vague, unrelated anecdote you're willing to share. I don’t know where you hail from, but as an anglo-American citizen, let me be clear: this jingoistic willingness to support bullshit about American manufacturing in China makes the USA look pathetic and fearful about the rise of competitors. It is feckless to encourage English readers on HN with nonsense - the net effect is to stir readers into underestimating the vast safety engineering talent in China.