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Bold (nay, courageous!) move to launch a JPEG replacement and not follow up with desktop support. What happens if you edit a HEIF in Photos.app, and perhaps tr

by 0x0 9y ago

Bold (nay, courageous!) move to launch a JPEG replacement and not follow up with desktop support. What happens if you edit a HEIF in Photos.app, and perhaps try to share a flattened version via imessage, email or upload to wordpress? Do you get a transcoded JPEG out? (What's the quality loss like for that case?) Without industry buy-in and high quality open source support, I'm struggling to see how this will ever expand beyond archiving iPhone camera rolls...?

redial 9y ago
To avoid compatibility issues every time an image leaves the device it does so as a JPEG. Even if nobody else supports the new format, in their mind it's still a win because of the space saved on the device itself.
- lathiat 9y ago
  For some reason, discord sharing photos fails with HEIF images.. it uploads as 'unknown' with no extension and doesn't display. Not sure if they somehow accidentally opted in to getting HEIF from the chooser or what.. but there you go.
dilippkumar 9y ago
> Bold (nay, courageous!) move to... Something about this sequence of words reminds me of Kruppe (From the Malazan Book of the Fallen series).
MBCook 9y ago
> Without industry buy-in and high quality open source support, I'm struggling to see how this will ever expand beyond archiving iPhone camera rolls...? It wouldn’t surprise me to see Microsoft support this, or perhaps camera makers. After all it’s 50% smaller than an equivalent JPEG, thats a nice feature. There’s nothing stopping google from supporting it other than the fact that they seem to like to force their own standards on everyone else (locking 1080p+ YouTube behind VP9). Even if it’s only available in the Mac/iPhone ecosystem… that’s a HUGE ecosystem. Anytime something is being sent over iMessage you can be pretty sure that the receiving device can decode that image format so you don’t have to send a JPEG or an H264 file. The ability to effectively double the capacity of iPhones when it comes to taking pictures and/or video is a really big deal. Combined with the fact they finally got rid of the stupid 16 GB tier and even the cheapest iPhone can now hold a LOT more pictures.
- jseliger 9y ago
  or perhaps camera makers It would be nice to see camera maker support, but camera makers have been more than a bit retrograde in the software department for a long time: https://jakeseliger.com/2017/09/22/if-i-were-a-camera-company-id-be-nervous https://jakeseliger.com/2017/09/22/if-i-were-a-camera-compan...
  - frostburg 9y ago
    Camera software is terrible to the point of being defective (the following is true for all or almost all professional digital cameras): 1) histograms for processed jpeg using a built in preset instead of the actual raw (want to know if you've really clipped the highlights? Can't) 2) no automated ETTR even on mirrorless cameras / while using live view, despite all the necessary information being available 3) no automated hyperfocal distance focusing, despite this being absolutely trivial to implement on any autofocus body 4) only 1d series canon cameras (which are used for action and sport photography, not landscape, so this feature is mostly useless) do multi-spot averaged metering, despite this being trivial and having been done on old Olympus film cameras 5) they're not programmable (i.e. focus to 5m, fire shutter after 4s, then...) It's like they don't let anyone using the things with any skill get their hands on the firmware. Using Android would be a disaster of latency, boot times and bloat, they should just stop being terrible.
    - mizaru 9y ago
      Sony camera firmwares already include an Android subsystem...
      - frostburg 9y ago
        It also has a full web browser that is only used to download 'apps' like the remote control one (nice feature, but still), obviously with terrible input due to the camera being a camera. I was stunned when I saw it on my A7r.
        9y ago
alsetmusic 9y ago
> What happens if you edit a HEIF in Photos.app, and perhaps try to share a flattened version via imessage, email or upload to wordpress? Do you get a transcoded JPEG out? (What's the quality loss like for that case?) ArsTechnica discussed sharing from Photos.app in their High Sierra review: > And when you send an image or movie via Mail or any Share extension, macOS assumes the worst of whatever device might be on the receiving end. At least for now, all of these files will automatically be converted when they’re sent. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/macos-10-13-high-sierra-the-ars-technica-review/8/#h4 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/macos-10-13-high-sie...

by 0x0 9y ago

redial 9y ago

To avoid compatibility issues every time an image leaves the device it does so as a JPEG. Even if nobody else supports the new format, in their mind it's still a win because of the space saved on the device itself.

lathiat 9y ago
For some reason, discord sharing photos fails with HEIF images.. it uploads as 'unknown' with no extension and doesn't display. Not sure if they somehow accidentally opted in to getting HEIF from the chooser or what.. but there you go.

dilippkumar 9y ago

> Bold (nay, courageous!) move to... Something about this sequence of words reminds me of Kruppe (From the Malazan Book of the Fallen series).

MBCook 9y ago

> Without industry buy-in and high quality open source support, I'm struggling to see how this will ever expand beyond archiving iPhone camera rolls...? It wouldn’t surprise me to see Microsoft support this, or perhaps camera makers. After all it’s 50% smaller than an equivalent JPEG, thats a nice feature. There’s nothing stopping google from supporting it other than the fact that they seem to like to force their own standards on everyone else (locking 1080p+ YouTube behind VP9). Even if it’s only available in the Mac/iPhone ecosystem… that’s a HUGE ecosystem. Anytime something is being sent over iMessage you can be pretty sure that the receiving device can decode that image format so you don’t have to send a JPEG or an H264 file. The ability to effectively double the capacity of iPhones when it comes to taking pictures and/or video is a really big deal. Combined with the fact they finally got rid of the stupid 16 GB tier and even the cheapest iPhone can now hold a LOT more pictures.

jseliger 9y ago
or perhaps camera makers It would be nice to see camera maker support, but camera makers have been more than a bit retrograde in the software department for a long time: https://jakeseliger.com/2017/09/22/if-i-were-a-camera-company-id-be-nervous https://jakeseliger.com/2017/09/22/if-i-were-a-camera-compan...
- frostburg 9y ago
  Camera software is terrible to the point of being defective (the following is true for all or almost all professional digital cameras): 1) histograms for processed jpeg using a built in preset instead of the actual raw (want to know if you've really clipped the highlights? Can't) 2) no automated ETTR even on mirrorless cameras / while using live view, despite all the necessary information being available 3) no automated hyperfocal distance focusing, despite this being absolutely trivial to implement on any autofocus body 4) only 1d series canon cameras (which are used for action and sport photography, not landscape, so this feature is mostly useless) do multi-spot averaged metering, despite this being trivial and having been done on old Olympus film cameras 5) they're not programmable (i.e. focus to 5m, fire shutter after 4s, then...) It's like they don't let anyone using the things with any skill get their hands on the firmware. Using Android would be a disaster of latency, boot times and bloat, they should just stop being terrible.
  - mizaru 9y ago
    Sony camera firmwares already include an Android subsystem...
    - frostburg 9y ago
      It also has a full web browser that is only used to download 'apps' like the remote control one (nice feature, but still), obviously with terrible input due to the camera being a camera. I was stunned when I saw it on my A7r.
      - 9y ago

alsetmusic 9y ago

> What happens if you edit a HEIF in Photos.app, and perhaps try to share a flattened version via imessage, email or upload to wordpress? Do you get a transcoded JPEG out? (What's the quality loss like for that case?) ArsTechnica discussed sharing from Photos.app in their High Sierra review: > And when you send an image or movie via Mail or any Share extension, macOS assumes the worst of whatever device might be on the receiving end. At least for now, all of these files will automatically be converted when they’re sent. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/macos-10-13-high-sierra-the-ars-technica-review/8/#h4 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/macos-10-13-high-sie...