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Can we leave the innocent bystanders out of this? As a US citizen this new rule is garbage

by quirkot 9y ago

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AHatLikeThat 9y ago
Indeed, as a US citizen it is obvious this policy will soon be expanded to everyone.
kbart 9y ago
As US citizens you (collectively) knowingly voted for government that implemented such laws and it is up to you to vote for government that doesn't pass such insane laws. So sorry, you are not a bystander here; I'd say equally demeaning and annoying border controls for US citizens in other countries would be logical consequences one could expect.
- quirkot 9y ago
  This is not a law, it's a regulation, developed by a governmental body whose head is appointed. There is no Senator a small fish like me can call to stop this madness
  - kbart 9y ago
    I'm not much into US politics, but as far as I understand, Trump was personally involved in many recent bans/regulations. Furthermore, isn't that "head" appointed by president, senate or other elected governmental body?
    - tomp 9y ago
      Also, this started before Trump, so democrats don't get a pass.
    - tdb7893 9y ago
      The increase in weird border controls actually started under Obama. There's really no winning in American politics when it comes to sensible regulation or immigration policies. Trump is mainly just responsible for the recent "travel bans" and also the decrease of legal immigration
- belorn 9y ago
  Insane border laws has been consecutive added by the US for the last 16 years ever since 9/11. It would be nice if the trend could be reversed.
  - kbart 9y ago
    I didn't say it has happened overnight. The idea doesn't change.
- Spivak 9y ago
  Yeah, let's completely ignore the 193 million people that disapprove of our current government. To put this in perspective if the number of people that disapprove of Trump were a country it would be 7th largest in the world.
  - dmschulman 9y ago
    they should have voted.
    - dekhn 9y ago
      He lost the popular vote. But we have this weird weighting scheme favoring empty states.
- Thriptic 9y ago
  Actually collectively we voted against the government. Trump lost the popular vote but won specific states which is how he got elected.
  - UnoriginalGuy 9y ago
    Obama started this policy, Trump just continued it. It is very easy to point fingers at one figure or political party, in this case though the waters have been slowly rising since 9/11 through Bush Jr, Obama, and now Trump. Until American citizens are impacted (either through loss of tourism money or more directly) I don't see much happening.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    Still, it's your and only your job to undo this.
- cgmg 9y ago
  > As German citizens you German Jews (collectively) knowingly voted for government that implemented such anti-semitic laws and it is up to you to vote for government that doesn't pass such insane laws. Yes, I went there. What kind of insane guilt-attribution system makes the parent commenter (and all others who dissent) responsible for the actions of the US government?
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ptero 9y ago
As another US citizen I also agree that this new rule is garbage. The way to stop it is to apply pressure to the rule makers. They still work for us (although most of the time it does not feel this way), so the constituents must tell rule makers to change stupid rules. Otherwise they are not innocent bystanders anymore. And nowadays the constituents will not care unless they feel the pain. We all are "too busy" (at least I know that I am) unless our own relatives have to give out logins while going abroad. I wish it was not this way, but this is the way it is today :(
dozzie 9y ago
> As a US citizen this new rule is garbage And this new rule wouldn't be garbage if it wasn't a US citizen?

Can we leave the innocent bystanders out of this? As a US citizen this new rule is garbage

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AHatLikeThat 9y ago

Indeed, as a US citizen it is obvious this policy will soon be expanded to everyone.

kbart 9y ago

As US citizens you (collectively) knowingly voted for government that implemented such laws and it is up to you to vote for government that doesn't pass such insane laws. So sorry, you are not a bystander here; I'd say equally demeaning and annoying border controls for US citizens in other countries would be logical consequences one could expect.

quirkot 9y ago
This is not a law, it's a regulation, developed by a governmental body whose head is appointed. There is no Senator a small fish like me can call to stop this madness
- kbart 9y ago
  I'm not much into US politics, but as far as I understand, Trump was personally involved in many recent bans/regulations. Furthermore, isn't that "head" appointed by president, senate or other elected governmental body?
  - tomp 9y ago
    Also, this started before Trump, so democrats don't get a pass.
  - tdb7893 9y ago
    The increase in weird border controls actually started under Obama. There's really no winning in American politics when it comes to sensible regulation or immigration policies. Trump is mainly just responsible for the recent "travel bans" and also the decrease of legal immigration
belorn 9y ago
Insane border laws has been consecutive added by the US for the last 16 years ever since 9/11. It would be nice if the trend could be reversed.
- kbart 9y ago
  I didn't say it has happened overnight. The idea doesn't change.
Spivak 9y ago
Yeah, let's completely ignore the 193 million people that disapprove of our current government. To put this in perspective if the number of people that disapprove of Trump were a country it would be 7th largest in the world.
- dmschulman 9y ago
  they should have voted.
  - dekhn 9y ago
    He lost the popular vote. But we have this weird weighting scheme favoring empty states.
Thriptic 9y ago
Actually collectively we voted against the government. Trump lost the popular vote but won specific states which is how he got elected.
- UnoriginalGuy 9y ago
  Obama started this policy, Trump just continued it. It is very easy to point fingers at one figure or political party, in this case though the waters have been slowly rising since 9/11 through Bush Jr, Obama, and now Trump. Until American citizens are impacted (either through loss of tourism money or more directly) I don't see much happening.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  Still, it's your and only your job to undo this.
cgmg 9y ago
> As German citizens you German Jews (collectively) knowingly voted for government that implemented such anti-semitic laws and it is up to you to vote for government that doesn't pass such insane laws. Yes, I went there. What kind of insane guilt-attribution system makes the parent commenter (and all others who dissent) responsible for the actions of the US government?
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ptero 9y ago

As another US citizen I also agree that this new rule is garbage. The way to stop it is to apply pressure to the rule makers. They still work for us (although most of the time it does not feel this way), so the constituents must tell rule makers to change stupid rules. Otherwise they are not innocent bystanders anymore. And nowadays the constituents will not care unless they feel the pain. We all are "too busy" (at least I know that I am) unless our own relatives have to give out logins while going abroad. I wish it was not this way, but this is the way it is today :(

dozzie 9y ago

> As a US citizen this new rule is garbage And this new rule wouldn't be garbage if it wasn't a US citizen?