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What markets is it that you feel Microsoft have a monopoly in? Desktop/Laptops is now a 3-way split between MS, Apple and Google with chromebooks. Mobile is a

What markets is it that you feel Microsoft have a monopoly in? Desktop/Laptops is now a 3-way split between MS, Apple and Google with chromebooks. Mobile is a split between Apple and Google with MS out of it. Cloud is Amazon out in front with MS in second place. Office is the one area where MS could be considered to have a monopoly but even there I think cloud players are gaining ground and also (AFAIK) there's no advertising in paid for versions of MS Office.

coldtea 9y ago
>What markets is it that you feel Microsoft have a monopoly in? Desktop/Laptops is now a 3-way split between MS, Apple and Google with chromebooks In the US maybe (and I doubt even there). In the rest of the world it's 90% windows machines.
- raesene6 9y ago
  In Europe Windows is down to 83% of desktop class machines http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe and in overall "computing devices" including mobile it's down to 47% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe In certain markets like schools, windows is down to 22% in the US and 65% Worldwide (https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/02/apple-ios-market-share-k-12-education-chrome-os/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/02/apple-ios-market-share-k-12-e...) These don't really feel like monopoly numbers like we used to see around the 1995-2005 timeframe when Microsoft were at their most monopolistic.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >In Europe Windows is down to 83% of desktop class machines http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe and in overall "computing devices" including mobile it's down to 47% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe* http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe* Yes, speaking of desktop/laptop machines. It's Windows, OS X around 12 or so and the others closer to statistical noise. Those even the 12% for OS X is in Western/Northern Europe mostly -- anywhere else it's closer to 95% Windows.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  You just mean desktop computers right? Because browser share polling shows that windows use is way down across the world, at least to browse the web. The most popular alas inChina, for example, is by far Android.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    Yes, desktop/laptops (as per the parent).
Sean1708 9y ago
Wikipedia says that Windows accounts for well over 70% of all desktop use[0], I personally wouldn't call that a 3-way split. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
- heedlessly2 9y ago
  but what profit % do they have? Android dominates mobile OS usage, but iOS has equal profits if not greater than Android
  - roblabla 9y ago
    If you take only desktop (which is what I was thinking about), windows is waaaaaaaaaay dominating the game. Chromebook might as well not exist (I haven't seen one, ever. I'm in europe though), so the only contender is Mac. But with all the lock-in and momentum Windows has, sure it might not be a monopoly in the technical sense, but it sure as heck feels like one.
  - 0x4a42 9y ago
    Microsoft is making billions dollars of profit from Android's devices just with their patents licensing: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/microsoft_on_the_issues/2011/10/23/microsofts-new-patent-agreement-with-compal-a-new-milestone-for-our-android-licensing-program/ https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/microsoft_on_the_issues/...
  - criddell 9y ago
    How is Android profit calculated? Does it include the value of the data collected with it? How do you calculate iOS profits? Can you separate the value of the hardware from the software?
- mcv 9y ago
  I only have a Windows PC for gaming. I'd gladly switch to Linux if all games were also available there. (I tried wine and stuff like that ages ago, but that was just a pain.) Windows has effectively a monopoly on gaming PCs.
earenndil 9y ago
Chromebooks are tiny. Smaller than linux even. It's just MS and apple.

coldtea 9y ago

>What markets is it that you feel Microsoft have a monopoly in? Desktop/Laptops is now a 3-way split between MS, Apple and Google with chromebooks In the US maybe (and I doubt even there). In the rest of the world it's 90% windows machines.

raesene6 9y ago
In Europe Windows is down to 83% of desktop class machines http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe and in overall "computing devices" including mobile it's down to 47% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe In certain markets like schools, windows is down to 22% in the US and 65% Worldwide (https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/02/apple-ios-market-share-k-12-education-chrome-os/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/02/apple-ios-market-share-k-12-e...) These don't really feel like monopoly numbers like we used to see around the 1995-2005 timeframe when Microsoft were at their most monopolistic.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >In Europe Windows is down to 83% of desktop class machines http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe and in overall "computing devices" including mobile it's down to 47% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe* http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/europe* Yes, speaking of desktop/laptop machines. It's Windows, OS X around 12 or so and the others closer to statistical noise. Those even the 12% for OS X is in Western/Northern Europe mostly -- anywhere else it's closer to 95% Windows.
seanmcdirmid 9y ago
You just mean desktop computers right? Because browser share polling shows that windows use is way down across the world, at least to browse the web. The most popular alas inChina, for example, is by far Android.
- coldtea 9y ago
  Yes, desktop/laptops (as per the parent).

Sean1708 9y ago

Wikipedia says that Windows accounts for well over 70% of all desktop use[0], I personally wouldn't call that a 3-way split. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

heedlessly2 9y ago
but what profit % do they have? Android dominates mobile OS usage, but iOS has equal profits if not greater than Android
- roblabla 9y ago
  If you take only desktop (which is what I was thinking about), windows is waaaaaaaaaay dominating the game. Chromebook might as well not exist (I haven't seen one, ever. I'm in europe though), so the only contender is Mac. But with all the lock-in and momentum Windows has, sure it might not be a monopoly in the technical sense, but it sure as heck feels like one.
- 0x4a42 9y ago
  Microsoft is making billions dollars of profit from Android's devices just with their patents licensing: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/microsoft_on_the_issues/2011/10/23/microsofts-new-patent-agreement-with-compal-a-new-milestone-for-our-android-licensing-program/ https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/microsoft_on_the_issues/...
- criddell 9y ago
  How is Android profit calculated? Does it include the value of the data collected with it? How do you calculate iOS profits? Can you separate the value of the hardware from the software?
mcv 9y ago
I only have a Windows PC for gaming. I'd gladly switch to Linux if all games were also available there. (I tried wine and stuff like that ages ago, but that was just a pain.) Windows has effectively a monopoly on gaming PCs.

earenndil 9y ago

Chromebooks are tiny. Smaller than linux even. It's just MS and apple.