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Push for Gender Equality in Tech? Some Men Say It’s Gone Too Far

11 points by elsewhen 9y ago

MBCook 9y ago
“Some people advantaged by the current system don’t like the push to change it.” What a story.
- funkythings 9y ago
  So women having a 2:1 change to get hired in STEM over men, just because they have a vagina is not too far? A googler, who wants to talk about current diversity measures and how to fix them gets fired. Is that to far? This has nothing to do with the marxist "power and privilege".
QAPereo 9y ago
Some say a lot of things... what do MOST say?
- gdulli 9y ago
  Hopefully, that they don't fear displacement so much as to be unable to see that equality is not a zero sum game.
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throwawayknecht 9y ago
"“There was no control over women hiring women... No eyebrows are going to rise if a woman heads up fashion,” Mr. Parsons said. “But we’re talking about women staffing positions — things like autos — where it cannot be explained other than manipulation.”" Really? "Cannot be explained"? Absolutely zero chance women who liked cars also wanted a workplace where grabass was going to be less acceptable? Jesus christ, men.
wallace_f 9y ago
When looking at competitive fields like E-Sports, which is making a lot of millionaires[0], but is >99% male dominated, almost entirely by Asians or Whites, what should we make of that? Do the results mean the system is necessarily unfair? Should we enact laws that force tournaments to hand top results to female players? What about racial minorities? If not, what should we do about the inequality here? 0-https://www.esportsearnings.com/players https://www.esportsearnings.com/players
- throwawayknecht 9y ago
  > Should we enact laws that force tournaments to hand top results to female players? What about racial minorities? I think there's a lot that can be done that will be more effective than that. https://kotaku.com/5889415/this-is-what-a-gamers-sexual-harassment-looks-like https://kotaku.com/5889415/this-is-what-a-gamers-sexual-hara... http://www.businessinsider.com/the-esports-racism-problem-2016-5?IR=T http://www.businessinsider.com/the-esports-racism-problem-20... etc. There's dozens of these stories covered, which means there's probably hundreds of incidents at the top levels, and thousands or tens of thousands among people just started out. The most popular and financially successful streamer in the world has normalized straight-up racism.
  - wallace_f 9y ago
    I agree with you that there are problems with racism and sexism in gaming. In fact, as a gamer I have unfortunately seen this myself. Gamers can be really, really awful. I also know that the bullying and bad behavior is not isolated to victims that are women or minorities. And another point: is it possible boys just like playing computer games more than girls?
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      > is it possible boys just like playing computer games more than girls? No. See, e.g., https://kotaku.com/teenage-girls-are-playing-video-games-you-just-might-n-1724547085 https://kotaku.com/teenage-girls-are-playing-video-games-you... And any one of about three trillion articles about what a cesspool male gamers create online.

11 points by elsewhen 9y ago

MBCook 9y ago

“Some people advantaged by the current system don’t like the push to change it.” What a story.

funkythings 9y ago
So women having a 2:1 change to get hired in STEM over men, just because they have a vagina is not too far? A googler, who wants to talk about current diversity measures and how to fix them gets fired. Is that to far? This has nothing to do with the marxist "power and privilege".

QAPereo 9y ago

Some say a lot of things... what do MOST say?

gdulli 9y ago
Hopefully, that they don't fear displacement so much as to be unable to see that equality is not a zero sum game.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]

throwawayknecht 9y ago

"“There was no control over women hiring women... No eyebrows are going to rise if a woman heads up fashion,” Mr. Parsons said. “But we’re talking about women staffing positions — things like autos — where it cannot be explained other than manipulation.”" Really? "Cannot be explained"? Absolutely zero chance women who liked cars also wanted a workplace where grabass was going to be less acceptable? Jesus christ, men.

wallace_f 9y ago

When looking at competitive fields like E-Sports, which is making a lot of millionaires[0], but is >99% male dominated, almost entirely by Asians or Whites, what should we make of that? Do the results mean the system is necessarily unfair? Should we enact laws that force tournaments to hand top results to female players? What about racial minorities? If not, what should we do about the inequality here? 0-https://www.esportsearnings.com/players https://www.esportsearnings.com/players

throwawayknecht 9y ago
> Should we enact laws that force tournaments to hand top results to female players? What about racial minorities? I think there's a lot that can be done that will be more effective than that. https://kotaku.com/5889415/this-is-what-a-gamers-sexual-harassment-looks-like https://kotaku.com/5889415/this-is-what-a-gamers-sexual-hara... http://www.businessinsider.com/the-esports-racism-problem-2016-5?IR=T http://www.businessinsider.com/the-esports-racism-problem-20... etc. There's dozens of these stories covered, which means there's probably hundreds of incidents at the top levels, and thousands or tens of thousands among people just started out. The most popular and financially successful streamer in the world has normalized straight-up racism.
- wallace_f 9y ago
  I agree with you that there are problems with racism and sexism in gaming. In fact, as a gamer I have unfortunately seen this myself. Gamers can be really, really awful. I also know that the bullying and bad behavior is not isolated to victims that are women or minorities. And another point: is it possible boys just like playing computer games more than girls?
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > is it possible boys just like playing computer games more than girls? No. See, e.g., https://kotaku.com/teenage-girls-are-playing-video-games-you-just-might-n-1724547085 https://kotaku.com/teenage-girls-are-playing-video-games-you... And any one of about three trillion articles about what a cesspool male gamers create online.