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So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

by Scirra_Tom 9y ago

dublinben 9y ago
Are these users committing acts of terrorism 140 characters at a time via the Internet?
- deleted 9y ago
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- eanzenberg 9y ago
  Yes.
- i_cant_speel 9y ago
  They're attracting them to other forms of communication where they can be further radicalized.
lawl 9y ago
Yes, I believe even terrorists should be able to say whatever they want. I'd actually prefer them shitposting on twitter rather than killing people.
- Scirra_Tom 9y ago
  I disagree that everyone should have a platform to say anything. Allowing hatred and violence can normalise it. Also, if someone got on a soapbox outside your house and starting preaching violence I don't think you'd be celebrating the exercising of their rights - you'd probably call the police.
  - lawl 9y ago
    > Also, if someone got on a soapbox outside your house and starting preaching violence I don't think you'd be celebrating the exercising of their rights - you'd probably call the police. Sure, except > The company is balancing a commitment to free speech against pressure from policymakers who want to see social media companies do more to fight extremism and hate speech. > [...] > Twitter last year signed a voluntary pledge in Europe to take action within 24 hours against reports of racist, xenophobic and violent content. It seems the pressure is comming from policy makers, not the house owners.
    - Scirra_Tom 9y ago
      > It seems the pressure is comming from policy makers, not the house owners. I think you'll find that most people in society would support the motion to attempt to reduce extremism and hate speech. It's not a controversial issue nor do I in any way feel it's trampling on any rights I have.
  - supergreg 9y ago
    I might disapprove of what they say but will fight to death for their right to say it.
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      So you'd support them doing it on your lawn?
- mosaiclifestyle 9y ago
  But what about when the posts are being used as a tool to vet and recruit candidates to join their cause and kill people?
- nugator 9y ago
  So you don't agree with laws about hate speech?
  - lawl 9y ago
    > So you don't agree with laws about hate speech? In fact, no.
- nthcolumn 9y ago
  You think that if they can tweet they won't have to go out and murder. Let off a little steam on facebook??? Really??? Really??? Obviously they are doing both and by 'shitposting' you mean posting videos glorifying their victims being beheaded and burnt alive. I suppose you think pedophiles should be able to publish their rape vids too? Anything goes right? No rights more important than the precious!
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  Even if what they're saying is there to recruit others to commit acts of terrorism? And do you not believe that Twitter has the right to Freedom of Speech and Association as well?
WillPostForFood 9y ago
Yes? Are you afraid they can defeat you with tweets? The risk of normalizing suppressing speech is greater than the risk of terrorism.
- deleted 9y ago
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- Scirra_Tom 9y ago
  I'm afraid allowing terrorists a free platform to preach will influence people and normalise what they are doing and be a detriment to wider society.
- jameskegel 9y ago
  I'd argue we should let them post what they want and monitor them as they freely associate with their cohorts and note the patterns/relationships. This seems like such an obvious answer that I can only assume that I'm either way off, or this is some type of marketing to engender some type of patriotism response among those not yet signed up or active on Twitter.
  - mosaiclifestyle 9y ago
    There have no doubt been scores of security analysts doing this for years, but I'd imagine that this can only go so deep, as I doubt they're openly scheming on Twitter. It does however provide a window into some of their recruitment behavior, as these types of outlets are the easiest places to lure vulnerable or impressionable people into deeper, darker corners of their propaganda networks. But I have to imagine that if you were to shut off their ability to lure people there in the first place it would do more to fight them than watching and following them.
- alexasmyths 9y ago
  'The pen is mightier than the sword'. The tweets are valuable propaganda to ISIS. They are consumed by billions of young impressionable minds all over the world, inducing them to 'take up the cause'. ISIS does not have the right to 'free speech'. Stopping ISIS from spreading their selfie vids of how they burned people alive and 'You can too!' - is not controversial.

So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

dublinben 9y ago

Are these users committing acts of terrorism 140 characters at a time via the Internet?

deleted 9y ago
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eanzenberg 9y ago
Yes.
i_cant_speel 9y ago
They're attracting them to other forms of communication where they can be further radicalized.

lawl 9y ago

Yes, I believe even terrorists should be able to say whatever they want. I'd actually prefer them shitposting on twitter rather than killing people.

Scirra_Tom 9y ago
I disagree that everyone should have a platform to say anything. Allowing hatred and violence can normalise it. Also, if someone got on a soapbox outside your house and starting preaching violence I don't think you'd be celebrating the exercising of their rights - you'd probably call the police.
- lawl 9y ago
  > Also, if someone got on a soapbox outside your house and starting preaching violence I don't think you'd be celebrating the exercising of their rights - you'd probably call the police. Sure, except > The company is balancing a commitment to free speech against pressure from policymakers who want to see social media companies do more to fight extremism and hate speech. > [...] > Twitter last year signed a voluntary pledge in Europe to take action within 24 hours against reports of racist, xenophobic and violent content. It seems the pressure is comming from policy makers, not the house owners.
  - Scirra_Tom 9y ago
    > It seems the pressure is comming from policy makers, not the house owners. I think you'll find that most people in society would support the motion to attempt to reduce extremism and hate speech. It's not a controversial issue nor do I in any way feel it's trampling on any rights I have.
- supergreg 9y ago
  I might disapprove of what they say but will fight to death for their right to say it.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    So you'd support them doing it on your lawn?
mosaiclifestyle 9y ago
But what about when the posts are being used as a tool to vet and recruit candidates to join their cause and kill people?
nugator 9y ago
So you don't agree with laws about hate speech?
- lawl 9y ago
  > So you don't agree with laws about hate speech? In fact, no.
nthcolumn 9y ago
You think that if they can tweet they won't have to go out and murder. Let off a little steam on facebook??? Really??? Really??? Obviously they are doing both and by 'shitposting' you mean posting videos glorifying their victims being beheaded and burnt alive. I suppose you think pedophiles should be able to publish their rape vids too? Anything goes right? No rights more important than the precious!
s73ver_ 9y ago
Even if what they're saying is there to recruit others to commit acts of terrorism? And do you not believe that Twitter has the right to Freedom of Speech and Association as well?

WillPostForFood 9y ago

Yes? Are you afraid they can defeat you with tweets? The risk of normalizing suppressing speech is greater than the risk of terrorism.

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Scirra_Tom 9y ago
I'm afraid allowing terrorists a free platform to preach will influence people and normalise what they are doing and be a detriment to wider society.
jameskegel 9y ago
I'd argue we should let them post what they want and monitor them as they freely associate with their cohorts and note the patterns/relationships. This seems like such an obvious answer that I can only assume that I'm either way off, or this is some type of marketing to engender some type of patriotism response among those not yet signed up or active on Twitter.
- mosaiclifestyle 9y ago
  There have no doubt been scores of security analysts doing this for years, but I'd imagine that this can only go so deep, as I doubt they're openly scheming on Twitter. It does however provide a window into some of their recruitment behavior, as these types of outlets are the easiest places to lure vulnerable or impressionable people into deeper, darker corners of their propaganda networks. But I have to imagine that if you were to shut off their ability to lure people there in the first place it would do more to fight them than watching and following them.
alexasmyths 9y ago
'The pen is mightier than the sword'. The tweets are valuable propaganda to ISIS. They are consumed by billions of young impressionable minds all over the world, inducing them to 'take up the cause'. ISIS does not have the right to 'free speech'. Stopping ISIS from spreading their selfie vids of how they burned people alive and 'You can too!' - is not controversial.