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> the iPhone X is just what people expected But that's the point of iPhones nowadays, isn't it? Shipping features only when they feel ready (e.g. I guess this

> the iPhone X is just what people expected But that's the point of iPhones nowadays, isn't it? Shipping features only when they feel ready (e.g. I guess this [1] won't be possible with Face ID). I switched from Android to iOS when I decided that I want a boring (but elegant) smartphone that bothers me as little as possible. > Apple design, it seems like it's great when Apple does it What many of their customers value, I think, is that Apple tends to get the big picture and the details right quite often. The big picture: When I buy an Apple phone, I can be quite sure not to see this on the default lockscreen: [2]. The details: [3]. You don't have to appreciate this level of detail, but some people do. That being said, not even Gruber claims that recent iPhones are "perfect" design-wise. [4] Just more detail-oriented than most competitors. > I'm still completely jealous of iPhone battery life though. Bought an iPhone 7 ½ year ago. I don't think battery life is anything to be jealous about. I hear good things about the Plus models though. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-facial-recognition-tricked-with-a-photo-2017-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-facial-... [2] https://twitter.com/dcseifert/status/905104470429851648 https://twitter.com/dcseifert/status/905104470429851648 [3] https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/larger/public/field/image/2015/04/galaxy-s6-bottom-alignment.jpg https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/larger/pu... [4] https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations#fn1-2017-09-14 https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_a... (Footnote 1)

zimpenfish 9y ago
> I want a boring (but elegant) smartphone that bothers me as little as possible. Exactly this. It's why I run OSX instead of Linux on the desktop - I'm old and I resent having to catherd my gadgets. If I have to tweak anything, it generally goes in the bin.
- zeveb 9y ago
  The thing is, macOS is objectively worse than Linux in certain respects, e.g. the UI's placement of window close next to other window controls (oddly, the old Macintosh OS did this correctly) or shipping the less-featureful BSD userland rather than the GNU userland, or shipping an old & outdated bash. But I enjoy making my tools work better. I don't compile my kernel anymore, I don't build my own computers, but I do enjoy making my environment work better, faster, simpler and more powerfully.
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    > shipping the less-featureful BSD userland rather than the GNU userland, or shipping an old & outdated bash. You think that's an intentional choice Apple made? If you spent even a moment looking into it you'd realize the GNU user land has a license that purposely roadblocks companies like Apple from using it. I'm not saying Apple or GNU is to blame, they have different philosophies with their own benefits and drawbacks, but to pretend it's only one side's fault is a bit naive.
    - zeveb 9y ago
      > You think that's an intentional choice Apple made? Yes, because they do ship some GPL software (and provide the source code for it); they choose not to ship more, and they choose not to give their customers the source code to the software they purchase. I don't know if Apple could make money selling hardware with open source software, but I do believe that morally it should.
      - jsjohnst 9y ago
        They used to ship quite a bit of GPL software, but have been progressively removing as much of it as they can as fast as they can. There's very little GPL left in macOS and I bet they would kill it immediately if it was practical.
  - philjohn 9y ago
    I know it counts as a tweak, but install spectacles and never bother about the window controls again - last time I clicked one was, um, not actually sure it's been so long!
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      I can't remember the last time I used the close button on a window. Occasionally use the zoom button when I can't remember the shortcut for maximise / fullscreen and when I've forgotten Spectacles is installed (I said I was old, right?)
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- snuxoll 9y ago
  I love Linux, GNOME 3 is even a pretty decent desktop environment. IntelliJ and friends run just fine on it, Evolution works okay enough with my work Exchange account, GNOME Boxes provides adequate virtualization of Windows 10 when I need Visual Studio. But you know what? Power management SUCKS. I've got a work-issued Lenovo W540 running Fedora 26, and while it gets the job done even light web browsing drains the battery like crazy - sure this thing has a power-hungry 65W CPU but it's also got a stupid big battery jutting out the back of it to match. There's also the death by a thousand cuts issue to the desktop user experience, Evolution works just "okay", meanwhile Mail.app/Calendar.app/Contacts.app work flawlessly with Exchange like I'd expect them to; Boxes is a PITA compared to VMWare Fusion and audio support is still broken for Windows 8+ - VMWare Workstation locks my whole machine up or I'd just use it; Bluetooth audio is still rather janky to use; even USB audio is a bit janky, if I turn my sound down below ~30% my Corsair USB headset just goes mute. I'm hopeful one of these days the biggest nag I have, power management, gets better on more recent hardware - until then I'll certainly prefer a Mac.
  - jsight 9y ago
    You sound like a Red Hat employee. In fairness, it may be less of a power management issue and more of a mediocre laptop issue. The last laptop that I had (T540p) was a similar experience to yours, especially after it was a few years old. The new P50 that replaced it has similar specs, no bulging battery, and can last for 4 hours+ even under pretty heavy load (lightly loaded could be closer to 8 hours). I won't disagree with you about the software experience that you describe, though. Evolution is absolutely horrible. Boxes is horrible, but I really liked virt-manager for server virtualization once I got used to it. I used to have tons of issues with Bluetooth, but none so far with Fedora 26 (knock on wood). It definitely wouldn't surprise me if that experience is still uneven, and Bluetooth in general is pretty mediocre.
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zimpenfish 9y ago

> I want a boring (but elegant) smartphone that bothers me as little as possible. Exactly this. It's why I run OSX instead of Linux on the desktop - I'm old and I resent having to catherd my gadgets. If I have to tweak anything, it generally goes in the bin.

zeveb 9y ago
The thing is, macOS is objectively worse than Linux in certain respects, e.g. the UI's placement of window close next to other window controls (oddly, the old Macintosh OS did this correctly) or shipping the less-featureful BSD userland rather than the GNU userland, or shipping an old & outdated bash. But I enjoy making my tools work better. I don't compile my kernel anymore, I don't build my own computers, but I do enjoy making my environment work better, faster, simpler and more powerfully.
- jsjohnst 9y ago
  > shipping the less-featureful BSD userland rather than the GNU userland, or shipping an old & outdated bash. You think that's an intentional choice Apple made? If you spent even a moment looking into it you'd realize the GNU user land has a license that purposely roadblocks companies like Apple from using it. I'm not saying Apple or GNU is to blame, they have different philosophies with their own benefits and drawbacks, but to pretend it's only one side's fault is a bit naive.
  - zeveb 9y ago
    > You think that's an intentional choice Apple made? Yes, because they do ship some GPL software (and provide the source code for it); they choose not to ship more, and they choose not to give their customers the source code to the software they purchase. I don't know if Apple could make money selling hardware with open source software, but I do believe that morally it should.
    - jsjohnst 9y ago
      They used to ship quite a bit of GPL software, but have been progressively removing as much of it as they can as fast as they can. There's very little GPL left in macOS and I bet they would kill it immediately if it was practical.
- philjohn 9y ago
  I know it counts as a tweak, but install spectacles and never bother about the window controls again - last time I clicked one was, um, not actually sure it's been so long!
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    I can't remember the last time I used the close button on a window. Occasionally use the zoom button when I can't remember the shortcut for maximise / fullscreen and when I've forgotten Spectacles is installed (I said I was old, right?)
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snuxoll 9y ago
I love Linux, GNOME 3 is even a pretty decent desktop environment. IntelliJ and friends run just fine on it, Evolution works okay enough with my work Exchange account, GNOME Boxes provides adequate virtualization of Windows 10 when I need Visual Studio. But you know what? Power management SUCKS. I've got a work-issued Lenovo W540 running Fedora 26, and while it gets the job done even light web browsing drains the battery like crazy - sure this thing has a power-hungry 65W CPU but it's also got a stupid big battery jutting out the back of it to match. There's also the death by a thousand cuts issue to the desktop user experience, Evolution works just "okay", meanwhile Mail.app/Calendar.app/Contacts.app work flawlessly with Exchange like I'd expect them to; Boxes is a PITA compared to VMWare Fusion and audio support is still broken for Windows 8+ - VMWare Workstation locks my whole machine up or I'd just use it; Bluetooth audio is still rather janky to use; even USB audio is a bit janky, if I turn my sound down below ~30% my Corsair USB headset just goes mute. I'm hopeful one of these days the biggest nag I have, power management, gets better on more recent hardware - until then I'll certainly prefer a Mac.
- jsight 9y ago
  You sound like a Red Hat employee. In fairness, it may be less of a power management issue and more of a mediocre laptop issue. The last laptop that I had (T540p) was a similar experience to yours, especially after it was a few years old. The new P50 that replaced it has similar specs, no bulging battery, and can last for 4 hours+ even under pretty heavy load (lightly loaded could be closer to 8 hours). I won't disagree with you about the software experience that you describe, though. Evolution is absolutely horrible. Boxes is horrible, but I really liked virt-manager for server virtualization once I got used to it. I used to have tons of issues with Bluetooth, but none so far with Fedora 26 (knock on wood). It definitely wouldn't surprise me if that experience is still uneven, and Bluetooth in general is pretty mediocre.

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