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It's also worth noting that the default installer for CCleaner automatically installs Chrome and sets it as the default browser with no notification in the defa

It's also worth noting that the default installer for CCleaner automatically installs Chrome and sets it as the default browser with no notification in the default process. Unless you click "More..." from one of the screens, then it tells you. At least it was like this two weeks ago. Had to uninstall bundleware Chrome again from multiple family members' PCs.

happy-go-lucky 9y ago
So, they fucked it. Thank you!
happy-go-lucky 9y ago
> the default installer for CCleaner automatically installs Chrome and sets it as the default browser Why is that is my question.
- JohnTHaller 9y ago
  Google pays companies to do new installs of Chrome. They're supposed to make it explicit, but Google doesn't really police it. It's usually via 'dark patterns' as it is with most free Windows antivirus apps where it shows a small indication at the bottom of the screen on a window that's about something else. For example, Avast sneaks it in as part of an automatic update on the Continue window: https://i.imgur.com/NIZk9Pd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NIZk9Pd.jpg
  - happy-go-lucky 9y ago
    Pal, you know you're revealing the selves of both MS and Google!
  - takeda 9y ago
    "Don't be evil" Even if it is explicit the idea is to have it enabled by default so people accidentally install it and then hopefully start using it. Which browser dominates should be based on its quality not how much money you spend on it :/
    - PirateAvogadro 9y ago
      Having chrome installed by whatever [dark] pattern is at least putting it on an even footing with the platform's default browser - for those who would never proactively change their browser, this at least is closer to such a browser meritocracy.
      - takeda 9y ago
        What about putting it on an even footing with Firefox, because currently that's its biggest competitor. The thing is with Firefox that if it's on your computer is most likely because you installed it yourself.
      - JohnTHaller 9y ago
        Every one of my family members I have to uninstall it for is already running a fully-up-to-date copy of Firefox. The question is usually "why does the web look different?" or "why does Firefox have a rainbow ball now?".
craftyguy 9y ago
FYI, BleachBit is a (FLOSS) alternative to ccleaner, that works pretty well.
- JohnTHaller 9y ago
  That's why I package it for our PortableApps.com users! https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/bleachbit_portable https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/bleachbit_portable
  - voltagex_ 9y ago
    What would happen if someone got malware on to your machine that specifically targeted PortableApps.com?
kuschku 9y ago
The VLC authors also report that Google tried to pay them quite huge amounts to include Chrome as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWx1P93nS0c&t=48s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWx1P93nS0c&t=48s With Google’s recent actions, this makes Chrome literally into malware that your system’s AV should automatically detect and remove. If a significant amount of users gets the software without intending to, the install was malicious, and should be removed.

happy-go-lucky 9y ago

So, they fucked it. Thank you!

happy-go-lucky 9y ago

> the default installer for CCleaner automatically installs Chrome and sets it as the default browser Why is that is my question.

JohnTHaller 9y ago
Google pays companies to do new installs of Chrome. They're supposed to make it explicit, but Google doesn't really police it. It's usually via 'dark patterns' as it is with most free Windows antivirus apps where it shows a small indication at the bottom of the screen on a window that's about something else. For example, Avast sneaks it in as part of an automatic update on the Continue window: https://i.imgur.com/NIZk9Pd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NIZk9Pd.jpg
- happy-go-lucky 9y ago
  Pal, you know you're revealing the selves of both MS and Google!
- takeda 9y ago
  "Don't be evil" Even if it is explicit the idea is to have it enabled by default so people accidentally install it and then hopefully start using it. Which browser dominates should be based on its quality not how much money you spend on it :/
  - PirateAvogadro 9y ago
    Having chrome installed by whatever [dark] pattern is at least putting it on an even footing with the platform's default browser - for those who would never proactively change their browser, this at least is closer to such a browser meritocracy.
    - takeda 9y ago
      What about putting it on an even footing with Firefox, because currently that's its biggest competitor. The thing is with Firefox that if it's on your computer is most likely because you installed it yourself.
    - JohnTHaller 9y ago
      Every one of my family members I have to uninstall it for is already running a fully-up-to-date copy of Firefox. The question is usually "why does the web look different?" or "why does Firefox have a rainbow ball now?".

craftyguy 9y ago

FYI, BleachBit is a (FLOSS) alternative to ccleaner, that works pretty well.

JohnTHaller 9y ago
That's why I package it for our PortableApps.com users! https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/bleachbit_portable https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/bleachbit_portable
- voltagex_ 9y ago
  What would happen if someone got malware on to your machine that specifically targeted PortableApps.com?

kuschku 9y ago

The VLC authors also report that Google tried to pay them quite huge amounts to include Chrome as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWx1P93nS0c&t=48s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWx1P93nS0c&t=48s With Google’s recent actions, this makes Chrome literally into malware that your system’s AV should automatically detect and remove. If a significant amount of users gets the software without intending to, the install was malicious, and should be removed.