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You're conveniently forgetting all kinds of hardware driver issues and bugs and fixes in newer kernels that Android users will never get. Even if AOSP and Googl

You're conveniently forgetting all kinds of hardware driver issues and bugs and fixes in newer kernels that Android users will never get. Even if AOSP and Google update, the vast majority of devices don't run AOSP nor are Nexus/Pixel devices. And not all (security) issues can be fixed without an OS update either. Not having to update your OS is not necessarily a virtue. Considering Apple provides updates for a good 5 years, I'd hardly consider it a problem to have to update every now and then.

dep_b 9y ago
> ou're conveniently forgetting all kinds of hardware driver issues and bugs and fixes in newer kernels that Android users will never get. This. THIS. I cannot believe the amount of people that completely and willingly needs to ignore the fact that the kernel will not receive CRITICAL updates. It's a pretty dirty game Google is playing by giving "security updates" all of the time while devices often can easily be rooted.
hesarenu 9y ago
I hear this security issue all the time. But what kind of issues do the actual end users face because of it? Is it something not noticeable to the end-user? I have many relatives using old versions of android even i gave a 2.3version android to a cousin. But have not heard any security related issues. Comparing it against windows, virus related problems were many. I have known people in India who normally don't buy software buy anti-virus software.
- MBCook 9y ago
  How about the recent Bluetooth vulnerability BlueBorne that allows remote takeover of devices without any user interaction? That’s a kernel level issue. A Play Store package update won’t fix it.
  - hesarenu 9y ago
    One of the relatives did get a message from Playstore to disable the bluetooth service.
    - MBCook 9y ago
      So they can be vulnerable or slightly cripple their device until the patch (which I’d be willing to bet a huge number of devices never get) comes. That’s not exactly a great spot for a user to be in.
      - hesarenu 9y ago
        From the people i know nobody keeps their bluettoh devises on for extended period of times. Its used usually to transfer images/videos. But it will be a hassle though. What else are there which would affect users very hard?
        MBCook 9y ago
        It doesn’t matter if your connected to a device, simply having the radio on is all you need to be compromised. It’s a very serious vulnerability.
        hesarenu 9y ago
        You mean Bluetooth on or any devices which has Bluetooth?
        MBCook 9y ago
        If Bluetooth is on, and the kernel isn’t patched, the device is vulnerable. Doesn’t matter if Bluetooth is connected to something. Doesn’t matter if someone tricks you into connecting to a specific evil device. Is Bluetooth enabled? You’re vulnerable. It’s BAD. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/bluetooth-bugs-open-billions-of-devices-to-attacks-no-clicking-required/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/bluet...

dep_b 9y ago

> ou're conveniently forgetting all kinds of hardware driver issues and bugs and fixes in newer kernels that Android users will never get. This. THIS. I cannot believe the amount of people that completely and willingly needs to ignore the fact that the kernel will not receive CRITICAL updates. It's a pretty dirty game Google is playing by giving "security updates" all of the time while devices often can easily be rooted.

hesarenu 9y ago

I hear this security issue all the time. But what kind of issues do the actual end users face because of it? Is it something not noticeable to the end-user? I have many relatives using old versions of android even i gave a 2.3version android to a cousin. But have not heard any security related issues. Comparing it against windows, virus related problems were many. I have known people in India who normally don't buy software buy anti-virus software.

MBCook 9y ago
How about the recent Bluetooth vulnerability BlueBorne that allows remote takeover of devices without any user interaction? That’s a kernel level issue. A Play Store package update won’t fix it.
- hesarenu 9y ago
  One of the relatives did get a message from Playstore to disable the bluetooth service.
  - MBCook 9y ago
    So they can be vulnerable or slightly cripple their device until the patch (which I’d be willing to bet a huge number of devices never get) comes. That’s not exactly a great spot for a user to be in.
    - hesarenu 9y ago
      From the people i know nobody keeps their bluettoh devises on for extended period of times. Its used usually to transfer images/videos. But it will be a hassle though. What else are there which would affect users very hard?
      - MBCook 9y ago
        It doesn’t matter if your connected to a device, simply having the radio on is all you need to be compromised. It’s a very serious vulnerability.
        hesarenu 9y ago
        You mean Bluetooth on or any devices which has Bluetooth?
        MBCook 9y ago
        If Bluetooth is on, and the kernel isn’t patched, the device is vulnerable. Doesn’t matter if Bluetooth is connected to something. Doesn’t matter if someone tricks you into connecting to a specific evil device. Is Bluetooth enabled? You’re vulnerable. It’s BAD. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/bluetooth-bugs-open-billions-of-devices-to-attacks-no-clicking-required/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/bluet...