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I'd rather pay with my wallet than with my battery. And I'll pay only what I buy. Lock me out if I don't pay, or tell me to GTFO, and I'm totally fine with it

by gkya 9y ago

I'd rather pay with my wallet than with my battery. And I'll pay only what I buy. Lock me out if I don't pay, or tell me to GTFO, and I'm totally fine with it, but you can't pick my hypotethical-pocket because I opened up your page. This is like charging window-shoppers. And like a sibling comment says, if this catches on, most web sites will do both, i.e. ads + client-side mining. One nice day publishing industry will no longer be an industry but a group of non-profits, which won't have to sell stuff, and publish way more objective and high-quality stuff. edit: grammar

tamonesto 9y ago
yeah right..
- yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
  If you have some criticism, please share with the class. As it is, I can't even tell what you're being dismissive of.
  - nurettin 9y ago
    Throwaway account means just that. No point in replying to them. They don't log back in to reply to you. They just waste space with random comments and get downvoted to deletion. HN accepts and welcomes this behavior in exchange for simpler account creation process.
sillysaurus3 9y ago
I'd argue that ads already pick your pocket just for window shopping the page. There's no such thing as Adblock for video streams on Twitch anymore; the ads are burned into the stream, so you can't block them. (Hopefully YouTube won't switch to the same tech.) Is that picking your pocket just for watching a video steam? If not, why is a video steam materially different from consuming a website?
- Tharre 9y ago
  > the ads are burned into the stream, so you can't block them. Source? Adblock seems to work fine.
  - sillysaurus3 9y ago
    https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/6000148339-i-m-seeing-ads-on-twitch-tv https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/60001... It's clearly the future of ad delivery. If you burn ads into video, you can't block them short of doing some kind of realtime detection against the video frames. It absolutely sucks because the pause button has become a "play ad" button. There's no way to temporarily pause anymore without showing an ad. Hopefully they won't realize they can do the same thing for the mute button.
    - Tharre 9y ago
      The fix for that is simple, use an external player, then they can't mess with your stop/mute/whatever buttons. I still can't reproduce any of this though, I get 0 ads on any of the streams I clicked through. EDIT: To fix stop/start you of course need to keep buffering the video.
      - sillysaurus3 9y ago
        That'd fix the mute button, but if you stop and start the stream, you'll get an ad regardless of the player. Tune in to Vinesauce (https://twitch.tv/vinesauce https://twitch.tv/vinesauce) tonight at around 9PM-10PM PST. In addition to being a fun Sunday stream, you'll be able to see first hand what the new ad delivery system is like.
        wingworks 9y ago
        He's streaming right now, just checked it and didn't get any ad.
    - earenndil 9y ago
saimiam 9y ago
> rather pay with my wallet I'm going to throw my solution in the ring for HN's consideration - https://Datajoy.us/fupm.html https://Datajoy.us/fupm.html: lets make paying for content so simple that both you and the domain owner can happily set it up and let it do its thing behind the scenes as you surf the web. Right now, it is being trialed for blogs and other top level domain content providers. First payments will be made Oct 1st.
- gkya 9y ago
  Looks interesting. Maybe you should submit it here for discussion and publicity.
  - saimiam 9y ago
    Thank you. I have submitted it before - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197728 If there's interest, I can resubmit it as a new Show HN thread.
tw04 9y ago
...you do realize "non-profit" doesn't mean they don't make money, right? It means they don't show a profit. They still need to monetize their offering, and unless you've got a solution yet to be offered up... it'll be the exact same thing as "for-profit" companies do. As for "objective" - most non-profits are far less objective because they thrive off donations.

by gkya 9y ago

tamonesto 9y ago

yeah right..

yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
If you have some criticism, please share with the class. As it is, I can't even tell what you're being dismissive of.
- nurettin 9y ago
  Throwaway account means just that. No point in replying to them. They don't log back in to reply to you. They just waste space with random comments and get downvoted to deletion. HN accepts and welcomes this behavior in exchange for simpler account creation process.

sillysaurus3 9y ago

I'd argue that ads already pick your pocket just for window shopping the page. There's no such thing as Adblock for video streams on Twitch anymore; the ads are burned into the stream, so you can't block them. (Hopefully YouTube won't switch to the same tech.) Is that picking your pocket just for watching a video steam? If not, why is a video steam materially different from consuming a website?

Tharre 9y ago
> the ads are burned into the stream, so you can't block them. Source? Adblock seems to work fine.
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/6000148339-i-m-seeing-ads-on-twitch-tv https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/60001... It's clearly the future of ad delivery. If you burn ads into video, you can't block them short of doing some kind of realtime detection against the video frames. It absolutely sucks because the pause button has become a "play ad" button. There's no way to temporarily pause anymore without showing an ad. Hopefully they won't realize they can do the same thing for the mute button.
  - Tharre 9y ago
    The fix for that is simple, use an external player, then they can't mess with your stop/mute/whatever buttons. I still can't reproduce any of this though, I get 0 ads on any of the streams I clicked through. EDIT: To fix stop/start you of course need to keep buffering the video.
    - sillysaurus3 9y ago
      That'd fix the mute button, but if you stop and start the stream, you'll get an ad regardless of the player. Tune in to Vinesauce (https://twitch.tv/vinesauce https://twitch.tv/vinesauce) tonight at around 9PM-10PM PST. In addition to being a fun Sunday stream, you'll be able to see first hand what the new ad delivery system is like.
      - wingworks 9y ago
        He's streaming right now, just checked it and didn't get any ad.
  - earenndil 9y ago

saimiam 9y ago

> rather pay with my wallet I'm going to throw my solution in the ring for HN's consideration - https://Datajoy.us/fupm.html https://Datajoy.us/fupm.html: lets make paying for content so simple that both you and the domain owner can happily set it up and let it do its thing behind the scenes as you surf the web. Right now, it is being trialed for blogs and other top level domain content providers. First payments will be made Oct 1st.

gkya 9y ago
Looks interesting. Maybe you should submit it here for discussion and publicity.
- saimiam 9y ago
  Thank you. I have submitted it before - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197728 If there's interest, I can resubmit it as a new Show HN thread.

tw04 9y ago

...you do realize "non-profit" doesn't mean they don't make money, right? It means they don't show a profit. They still need to monetize their offering, and unless you've got a solution yet to be offered up... it'll be the exact same thing as "for-profit" companies do. As for "objective" - most non-profits are far less objective because they thrive off donations.