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Transgender has precisely nothing to do with why reasonable people admire or condemn Manning. The admiration or condemnation is for the actions, not the persona

by harry8 9y ago

Transgender has precisely nothing to do with why reasonable people admire or condemn Manning. The admiration or condemnation is for the actions, not the personality.

eksu 9y ago
That’a great. I totally understand that. I just see people that dislike the actions but like the... personality?
alexasmyths 9y ago
I agree that it should not be part of the equation - but in our present media landscape, it absolutely is. Her being transgender will ultimately have a lot to do with public perception. There is quite a big movement right now to promote the rights of transgendered people, it's like the late 1980's for gay people - wherein stereotypes were being fought against, and issues brought into public discussion. In the era of 'social justice media' - these bits of identity are all part of the presentation. Some will regard the 'transgender' as even a deeper transgression of 'norms and values' and to others it might engender deeper sympathies - nevertheless, it definitely adds a dynamic to the story.
- Caveman_Coder 9y ago
  > "There is quite a big movement right now to promote the rights of transgendered people, it's like the late 1980's for gay people - wherein stereotypes were being fought against, and issues brought into public discussion." I don't think the "big movement" is really all that big (.3 percent in the US). If you said they were extremely vocal and loud, then I'd agree, but to say they are a big movement is an exaggeration. > "Some will regard the 'transgender' as even a deeper transgression of 'norms and values' and to others it might engender deeper sympathies - nevertheless, it definitely adds a dynamic to the story." I think you're right on this point, some people will care about her gender situation, others, like myself will think that its a bit gross. In any case, it should be separate from what she did and the content of what she leaked.

by harry8 9y ago

Transgender has precisely nothing to do with why reasonable people admire or condemn Manning. The admiration or condemnation is for the actions, not the personality.

eksu 9y ago

That’a great. I totally understand that. I just see people that dislike the actions but like the... personality?

alexasmyths 9y ago

I agree that it should not be part of the equation - but in our present media landscape, it absolutely is. Her being transgender will ultimately have a lot to do with public perception. There is quite a big movement right now to promote the rights of transgendered people, it's like the late 1980's for gay people - wherein stereotypes were being fought against, and issues brought into public discussion. In the era of 'social justice media' - these bits of identity are all part of the presentation. Some will regard the 'transgender' as even a deeper transgression of 'norms and values' and to others it might engender deeper sympathies - nevertheless, it definitely adds a dynamic to the story.

Caveman_Coder 9y ago
> "There is quite a big movement right now to promote the rights of transgendered people, it's like the late 1980's for gay people - wherein stereotypes were being fought against, and issues brought into public discussion." I don't think the "big movement" is really all that big (.3 percent in the US). If you said they were extremely vocal and loud, then I'd agree, but to say they are a big movement is an exaggeration. > "Some will regard the 'transgender' as even a deeper transgression of 'norms and values' and to others it might engender deeper sympathies - nevertheless, it definitely adds a dynamic to the story." I think you're right on this point, some people will care about her gender situation, others, like myself will think that its a bit gross. In any case, it should be separate from what she did and the content of what she leaked.