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What exactly are you talking about here? Are you referring to Github, Shopify, Basecamp and many other functional businesses scaled and built on the shoulders

What exactly are you talking about here? Are you referring to Github, Shopify, Basecamp and many other functional businesses scaled and built on the shoulders of ruby "unicorns" and "kittens" ? Having worked with both languages, I can confirm that they simply have different view points with tradeoffs, and that in itself is a matter of personal opinion. But claiming one community does not build great tools because you view them as "kittens" is ridiculous. Also please do not generalize things like "most people" prefer X. [EDIT] I sincerely hope this comment does not come off as rude. I am just trying to understand OP's point of view

newen 9y ago
I think he means those intro to ruby tutorials where they make ruby (and programming in general) sound all magical, where it's so easy to program and programming is just unicorns and kittens or whatever. It becomes tiring and dumb after a while.
- newen 9y ago
  Add in ducks and geese and a whole slew of other animals and I end up wondering if I'm programming in a zoo with ruby lol.
Daishiman 9y ago
From my outsider perspective, equivalent Ruby tools advertise themselves a the Most Awesome Thing Ever(TM), with well-designed pages, funny characters and exceedingly strong developer personalities. In comparison, big Python projects have a lower profile, a more serious, adult tone, and generally don't brag too much about their capabilities. In practice I've seen that the Python community's greater skepticism towards new packages means that libraries have evolved more slowly but with more certainty, whereas Ruby libs have been swapped out as fashions come an go. Witness the fact that Rails decided to package Coffeescript at its core, whereas Django has no strong opinions on frontend matters. Also look at Django's mature deprecation policy compared to pretty much everything else.
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newen 9y ago

I think he means those intro to ruby tutorials where they make ruby (and programming in general) sound all magical, where it's so easy to program and programming is just unicorns and kittens or whatever. It becomes tiring and dumb after a while.

newen 9y ago
Add in ducks and geese and a whole slew of other animals and I end up wondering if I'm programming in a zoo with ruby lol.

Daishiman 9y ago

From my outsider perspective, equivalent Ruby tools advertise themselves a the Most Awesome Thing Ever(TM), with well-designed pages, funny characters and exceedingly strong developer personalities. In comparison, big Python projects have a lower profile, a more serious, adult tone, and generally don't brag too much about their capabilities. In practice I've seen that the Python community's greater skepticism towards new packages means that libraries have evolved more slowly but with more certainty, whereas Ruby libs have been swapped out as fashions come an go. Witness the fact that Rails decided to package Coffeescript at its core, whereas Django has no strong opinions on frontend matters. Also look at Django's mature deprecation policy compared to pretty much everything else.

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