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TouchID was removed because it took up space on the front of the phone and Apple wanted the screen to be bigger. There's no deeper reason than that. > Will App

TouchID was removed because it took up space on the front of the phone and Apple wanted the screen to be bigger. There's no deeper reason than that. > Will Apple continue progress and built in PinchID - a tiny needle that sting you to test if you are you based on your blood/DNA? I struggle to believe you when you say that's a serious question... > Im also concerned about the data Apple will collect. The FaceID data will be stored in the secure enclave locally on your phone, just like TouchID data was. Apple will not collect it.

Cthulhu_ 9y ago
Second, facial features are more unique than fingerprints - according to apple's own presentation, there's a 1 in 10.000 chance that prints from different people would unlock it. With face ID, this becomes 1 in 50.000 (iirc).
- kevincennis 9y ago
  I believe they said 1:50,000 and 1:1,000,000.
  - yinghang 9y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1ggc2q/why_do_europeans_use_comma_instead_of_decimal_eg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1ggc2q/why_do_euro...
    - jmreid 9y ago
      He's not correcting the use of a period, he's correcting the numbers themselves. 1:50,000 and 1:1,000,000 vs 1:10,000 and 1:50,000
- kbutler 9y ago
  Unless you have a twin. Twins have different fingerprints.
istolemomsthumb 9y ago
TouchID is trivially defeated by a 6-year-old: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/28/girl-uses-sleeping-moms-thumbprint-pokemon/95907370/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/28/girl-u...
- MBCook 9y ago
  Did you read the article? Troy Hunt addressed that.
- colejohnson66 9y ago
  All the more reason for FaceID
kibwen 9y ago
> TouchID was removed because it took up space on the front of the phone and Apple wanted the screen to be bigger. There's no deeper reason than that. The Pixel handset has the fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone. It appears to work quite well. Much of this needless outrage could be obviated by allowing multiple simultaneous biometrics for auth; while taking the phone out of your pocket, place your finger on the sensor to initiate FaceID.
- eckza 9y ago
  > multiple simultaneous biometrics That's very un-Apple.
- colejohnson66 9y ago
  > The Pixel handset has the fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone. How would I use my phone on a desk without lifting it up? I can do that with TouchID, but if the sensor is on the back, I can’t.
  - kibwen 9y ago
    I confess, never in my years of phone ownership have I had that specific use case, or considered that it might be important for others. Do you find yourself doing that often? If so, can I ask what for?
  - CocaKoala 9y ago
    You can't really do that with the face id either, unless you loom over your desk in an awkward way.
    - colejohnson66 9y ago
      From their promo video of iPhone X, FaceID works at angles over 45° (see the swimmer portion)

Cthulhu_ 9y ago

Second, facial features are more unique than fingerprints - according to apple's own presentation, there's a 1 in 10.000 chance that prints from different people would unlock it. With face ID, this becomes 1 in 50.000 (iirc).

kevincennis 9y ago
I believe they said 1:50,000 and 1:1,000,000.
- yinghang 9y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1ggc2q/why_do_europeans_use_comma_instead_of_decimal_eg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1ggc2q/why_do_euro...
  - jmreid 9y ago
    He's not correcting the use of a period, he's correcting the numbers themselves. 1:50,000 and 1:1,000,000 vs 1:10,000 and 1:50,000
kbutler 9y ago
Unless you have a twin. Twins have different fingerprints.

istolemomsthumb 9y ago

TouchID is trivially defeated by a 6-year-old: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/28/girl-uses-sleeping-moms-thumbprint-pokemon/95907370/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/28/girl-u...

MBCook 9y ago
Did you read the article? Troy Hunt addressed that.
colejohnson66 9y ago
All the more reason for FaceID

kibwen 9y ago

> TouchID was removed because it took up space on the front of the phone and Apple wanted the screen to be bigger. There's no deeper reason than that. The Pixel handset has the fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone. It appears to work quite well. Much of this needless outrage could be obviated by allowing multiple simultaneous biometrics for auth; while taking the phone out of your pocket, place your finger on the sensor to initiate FaceID.

eckza 9y ago
> multiple simultaneous biometrics That's very un-Apple.
colejohnson66 9y ago
> The Pixel handset has the fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone. How would I use my phone on a desk without lifting it up? I can do that with TouchID, but if the sensor is on the back, I can’t.
- kibwen 9y ago
  I confess, never in my years of phone ownership have I had that specific use case, or considered that it might be important for others. Do you find yourself doing that often? If so, can I ask what for?
- CocaKoala 9y ago
  You can't really do that with the face id either, unless you loom over your desk in an awkward way.
  - colejohnson66 9y ago
    From their promo video of iPhone X, FaceID works at angles over 45° (see the swimmer portion)