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About trust and confidentiality... of citizens' private data. By contrast, she leaked military/diplomatic documents and footage. Not exactly a 1-to-1 parallel.

caiob 9y ago
Ok. Then, what are his/her credentials on the topic?
- phailhaus 9y ago
  Did you even try? From the article: > Chelsea Manning is an advocate of government transparency, a transgender rights activist and a former United States Army intelligence analyst.
  - pyre 9y ago
    Based on the commenter's first comment in this thread, I'm assuming that they already know who Chelsea Manning is. Unfortunately the content of all of their comments seems aimed to inflame/offend rather than discuss.
- civilian 9y ago
  Aren't you just committing an appeal to authority fallacy? Read her article and judge the merits there. It's the NYTimes, it's not like the article is going to break philosophical ground, it's more of a summary of what has happened. The way that our faces, location and information is collected has potential for dystopia, and that's an easy argument to make. //edit: For context, the comment I was replying to read: > Ok. Then, what are his/her credentials on the topic?
  - an27 9y ago
    Did that user just delete their comments or is this a new antispam/censorship feature of the forum software?
    - grzm 9y ago
      The comment has been flagged to death by members, which will make it only visible to those with "showdead" enabled (toggle in your profile).
- ncr100 9y ago
  "her" is reasonably what a person who's undergone a gender change to female prefers being addressed as.
  - Simon_says 9y ago
    Maybe their preference should be taken into account, but I don't like my speech being dictated.
    - chc 9y ago
      It's not your speech being dictated, per se; it's about being polite. Like, there's nothing stopping me from hurling fanciful insults at everybody I meet, but I also wouldn't blame other people for considering me wrong to do so.
      - an27 9y ago
        It is about your speech being dictated though, it's already been written into law in Canada. If you misgender someone you can go to jail.
        XR0CSWV3h3kZWg 9y ago
        Huh, could you link to the law?
        Karunamon 9y ago
        They're referring to C-16, but the idea that it criminalizes speech is bogus. The law only steps in if it's happening in the context of employment, public accomodations, etc. https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/20038/why-is-canadas-bill-c-16-believed-to-be-legislating-pronoun-use https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/20038/why-is-ca...
        grzm 9y ago
        Likely they're referring to https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/ https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/ I'm providing this to be helpful. Discussions on this on HN have historically devolved incredibly quickly into flamewars. Anyone choosing to discuss this I ask that you reflect on why you want to do so: are you looking to truly understand what others think on this? Are you truly open to having your opinion changed? Are you hoping to convince others of your position? Shout down those you disagree with? If you're looking for something other than truly productive, respectful, thoughtful, charitable discussion, please refrain from commenting here.
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caiob 9y ago

Ok. Then, what are his/her credentials on the topic?

phailhaus 9y ago
Did you even try? From the article: > Chelsea Manning is an advocate of government transparency, a transgender rights activist and a former United States Army intelligence analyst.
- pyre 9y ago
  Based on the commenter's first comment in this thread, I'm assuming that they already know who Chelsea Manning is. Unfortunately the content of all of their comments seems aimed to inflame/offend rather than discuss.
civilian 9y ago
Aren't you just committing an appeal to authority fallacy? Read her article and judge the merits there. It's the NYTimes, it's not like the article is going to break philosophical ground, it's more of a summary of what has happened. The way that our faces, location and information is collected has potential for dystopia, and that's an easy argument to make. //edit: For context, the comment I was replying to read: > Ok. Then, what are his/her credentials on the topic?
- an27 9y ago
  Did that user just delete their comments or is this a new antispam/censorship feature of the forum software?
  - grzm 9y ago
    The comment has been flagged to death by members, which will make it only visible to those with "showdead" enabled (toggle in your profile).
ncr100 9y ago
"her" is reasonably what a person who's undergone a gender change to female prefers being addressed as.
- Simon_says 9y ago
  Maybe their preference should be taken into account, but I don't like my speech being dictated.
  - chc 9y ago
    It's not your speech being dictated, per se; it's about being polite. Like, there's nothing stopping me from hurling fanciful insults at everybody I meet, but I also wouldn't blame other people for considering me wrong to do so.
    - an27 9y ago
      It is about your speech being dictated though, it's already been written into law in Canada. If you misgender someone you can go to jail.
      - XR0CSWV3h3kZWg 9y ago
        Huh, could you link to the law?
        Karunamon 9y ago
        They're referring to C-16, but the idea that it criminalizes speech is bogus. The law only steps in if it's happening in the context of employment, public accomodations, etc. https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/20038/why-is-canadas-bill-c-16-believed-to-be-legislating-pronoun-use https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/20038/why-is-ca...
        grzm 9y ago
        Likely they're referring to https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/ https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/ I'm providing this to be helpful. Discussions on this on HN have historically devolved incredibly quickly into flamewars. Anyone choosing to discuss this I ask that you reflect on why you want to do so: are you looking to truly understand what others think on this? Are you truly open to having your opinion changed? Are you hoping to convince others of your position? Shout down those you disagree with? If you're looking for something other than truly productive, respectful, thoughtful, charitable discussion, please refrain from commenting here.

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