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So according to that, software developers are around 20% female. That seems high to me, from my own experiences. Even still, with all the "let's get more wome
by bbarn 9y ago
So according to that, software developers are around 20% female. That seems high to me, from my own experiences.
Even still, with all the "let's get more women in tech" stuff I read, are there initiatives to get women in the other jobs even further to the left on that graph? (largely physical labor jobs)
- foldr 9y agoYes, of course there are. You can just google it. E.g. here is a relevant result for "women in construction": https://www.ucatt.org.uk/women-construction https://www.ucatt.org.uk/women-construction
- yung_endian 9y ago>That seems high to me, from my own experiences. It's almost as if your own individual experiences are not indicative of population-level trends at large
- joenot443 9y agoJust a friendly reminder as I noticed you're new - patronising, nonproductive comments like this don't go over as well here as they do on reddit.
- seizethecheese 9y agoYour comment is equally patronizing.
- shawndumas 9y agobut it was productive
- screaminghawk 9y agoI don't think the comment is nonproductive. The majority of "women in tech" issues like this post is referring to, are belittled/misunderstood due to the differences in individual experiences. It's a fair comment to point out at this sometimes works in the reverse as well (i.e. sometimes there are more woman and/or fewer problems).
- yung_endian 9y agoI've been lurking here since it started. It's not patronizing - it's pointing out a basic statistical fact. Has the bar on HN truly fallen so low that pointing out that anecdote != data is now considered rude?
- chrshawkes 9y ago"Has the bar on HN truly fallen so low that pointing out that anecdote != data is now considered rude?" yes... yes it has :)
- vacri 9y agoIt's really weird that you've been on the site for 10 years and only just now decided to bust forth with a handful of comments of this low quality.
- StavrosK 9y ago"Pointing out" is what you did, "rude" was how you did it. For example: "It's almost as if you don't understand that rudeness is about the tone instead of the content". Or: "It looks like you're trying to move the goalposts; would you like some help with that?" Or: "> 'It's not patronizing - it's pointing out a basic statistical fact' Interesting how you think the two are mutually exclusive." Etc.
- jhgb 9y ago> are there initiatives No, people tend to be only interested in professions that are "hip" enough. Nobody is going to glamorize plumbers (even though they certainly should!).
- astura 9y agohttps://www.watersafe.org.uk/news/latest_news/get_girls_plumbing_campaign_launched/ https://www.watersafe.org.uk/news/latest_news/get_girls_plum...
- jhgb 9y agoI stand repaired!
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoThat's an interesting article. Twice as many women were suggested they could take up a trade as wished that they were offered that opportunity .. but the article spins that as 24% weren't suggested to take up a trade. I live in UK and was never given any career guidance, I wish a trade had been offered to me too; I'm not sure that's a difference based on sex though. I hate the common form "these women weren't given X, it's horribly sexist" without comparison to show it was even different for men at all.
- chrshawkes 9y agoThings got out of control with the advent of the social network movie. All of a sudden the general population thought coders were snorting cocaine off strippers in Palo Alto while wiping their bums with hundred dollar bills. Now everybody wants to join the party.
- dsfyu404ed 9y agoYeah. It's the guys in the sales dept that are doing the coke off of strippers. Anything to make the sale.
- irrational 9y ago
- microcolonel 9y ago> That seems high to me, from my own experiences. There are specific factors, such as the age of a company, the experience distribution/requirements, standard working arrangements (hours, overtime expectation, on-call) which are correlated with deviations from the mean.
- astura 9y agoIs your experience in the SF startup scene? Corporate land is a lot different from the Valley as far as the makeup of the workforce.
- speby 9y agoAnd likewise, are there more initiatives to get men into jobs that are more heavily skewed towards women?
- Cthulhu_ 9y agoNot as strongly, but there is demand for male nurses - they need stronger people to help move people around, and men are stronger. (biological facts, etc)
- klipt 9y agoBut does the people-mover have to be a nurse? Can't you just hire a cheap, uneducated muscle-man to move your people?
- throwawayjava 9y ago"people movers" made me laugh. You could, but might face liability. Also, perhaps not a full time job but also not easy to schedule. So you'd be paying someone to sit around 90% of the time.
- LanceH 9y agoThis occupation is "orderly".
- chrshawkes 9y agoI'm sure that will work swimmingly. The "Everybody Can Code" craze led to a ton of bootcamps and now they are falling one by one. Turns out not everybody can code.
- drpgq 9y agoIt would be interesting to know for different types of software developers, embedded, front end, scientific etc. Sometimes 20% seems high to me, but I only work at one company so I'm sure I'm missing something.