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None. I just imagine it's useful that other people understand you. But hey, if you want to use the wrong words, phrases, etc, then it's your right to do so. ..

None. I just imagine it's useful that other people understand you. But hey, if you want to use the wrong words, phrases, etc, then it's your right to do so. ...

umanwizard 9y ago
Well I am glad you cast it in terms of people understanding one another, because everyone understands the (scare quotes:) "wrong" version of "begs the question" perfectly. Words mean things, but what they mean is a social phenomenon, not handed down from some authority.
Dylan16807 9y ago
> if you want to use the wrong words You say while advocating for a mistranslation.
- notheguyouthink 9y ago
  Perhaps I misunderstand you - what am I advocating for? I thought I was advocating to keep everyone on the same page? Should I start randomly using your and you're? If you can figure it out, what's the point of using the "correct" one?
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    > what am I advocating for? Aren't you advocating for the "correct" use of "begging the question"? I'm just pointing out that such a use is also wrong. > I thought I was advocating to keep everyone on the same page? As if it actually confuses anyone. > If you can figure it out, what's the point of using the "correct" one? Because misspellings slow down comprehension. Using words in a different manner that both people understand doesn't.
    - notheguyouthink 9y ago
      Language is such a messy affair lol. I can see where you're coming from. It just sucks that this argument seems to be, "there is no right, get used to wrong shit". And I know, I know, you're debating whether it's wrong at all - but I can't help but feel when people say the exact opposite words than what they mean, it feels wrong. For example, "I could give a damn" vs "I couldn't give a damn" _(and variations of it)_. It's an almost hilariously opposite meaning to what the user intended, yet.. it's going to become the "right" meaning. Is there no end in your eyes? When does this just start becoming broken English?
      - Dylan16807 9y ago
        > "I could give a damn" vs "I couldn't give a damn" That's more understandable to object to because the words in a literal context are being misused. This is the creation of an idiom because of people misremembering the phrase. It's probably too late to stop, but idioms aren't created at a very rapid pace. Begging the question is nearly the opposite situation. There exists an idiom where the words as taken literally are a mess, and people are using the same words, basically-correctly, to not mean that idiom.

None. I just imagine it's useful that other people understand you. But hey, if you want to use the wrong words, phrases, etc, then it's your right to do so. ...

umanwizard 9y ago

Well I am glad you cast it in terms of people understanding one another, because everyone understands the (scare quotes:) "wrong" version of "begs the question" perfectly. Words mean things, but what they mean is a social phenomenon, not handed down from some authority.

Dylan16807 9y ago

> if you want to use the wrong words You say while advocating for a mistranslation.

notheguyouthink 9y ago
Perhaps I misunderstand you - what am I advocating for? I thought I was advocating to keep everyone on the same page? Should I start randomly using your and you're? If you can figure it out, what's the point of using the "correct" one?
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  > what am I advocating for? Aren't you advocating for the "correct" use of "begging the question"? I'm just pointing out that such a use is also wrong. > I thought I was advocating to keep everyone on the same page? As if it actually confuses anyone. > If you can figure it out, what's the point of using the "correct" one? Because misspellings slow down comprehension. Using words in a different manner that both people understand doesn't.
  - notheguyouthink 9y ago
    Language is such a messy affair lol. I can see where you're coming from. It just sucks that this argument seems to be, "there is no right, get used to wrong shit". And I know, I know, you're debating whether it's wrong at all - but I can't help but feel when people say the exact opposite words than what they mean, it feels wrong. For example, "I could give a damn" vs "I couldn't give a damn" _(and variations of it)_. It's an almost hilariously opposite meaning to what the user intended, yet.. it's going to become the "right" meaning. Is there no end in your eyes? When does this just start becoming broken English?
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      > "I could give a damn" vs "I couldn't give a damn" That's more understandable to object to because the words in a literal context are being misused. This is the creation of an idiom because of people misremembering the phrase. It's probably too late to stop, but idioms aren't created at a very rapid pace. Begging the question is nearly the opposite situation. There exists an idiom where the words as taken literally are a mess, and people are using the same words, basically-correctly, to not mean that idiom.