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I'd bet ~30 days with this in the public's hands we will see headlines like "How to beat iPhone's facial recognition with X". There are some crafty folks out t
by sunsetMurk 9y ago
I'd bet ~30 days with this in the public's hands we will see headlines like "How to beat iPhone's facial recognition with X".
There are some crafty folks out there--
- simonh 9y agoThey look like they worked hard to cover that, even training the network to reject 3D face models done up by Hollywood makeup artists. It's hard to see how you'd spoof it better than that.
- sgarman 9y agoThis is a fundamental issue with developing secure software/tech in a private. You have to hope you are the smartest team in the world and that you thought of everything. It's you vs everyone else.
- pi-rat 9y agoDoesn't really have to look like a hollywood mask though, fooling neural networks is a growing area of research these days: http://www.evolvingai.org/fooling http://www.evolvingai.org/fooling There are probably many redundancies in face ID, but I wouldn't be surprised if some interesting techniques for fooling it show up.
- dgreensp 9y agoThese approaches assume you have access to the trained neural network weights, i.e. that it's a "white box".
- manmal 9y agoSince it's based on neural nets, I think there might be ways, but they will likely not work consistently.. they will only work in certain conditions. Also note that they also track head position (must face camera) and check the eyes (must be open and look at the camera).. this will be hard to get right all at once.
- monkmartinez 9y agoSunglasses?
- jareds 9y agoI'll be surprised if this works for me as a blind person. There's no way I could directly look at the camera. I don't need the iPhone X since I don't care about camera quality, but if touch id starts being removed from all new iphones I will be giving Android a long hard look.
- theshrike79 9y agoIs Android support for visually impaired users still as spotty as it used to be?
- jareds 9y agoI'm not sure. It was truly bad in the Android 2.3 days. I own a Moto E since it was cheep and I was curious if Android had improved. Running 5.1 was pretty accessible, but was slow which is expected since it's a low end phone. Android apps on a chromebook work pretty well, but who knows how that will translate to a modern mid range Android phone.
- MBCook 9y agoApple's pretty good at accessibility, they may have thought of that with one of their settings. They seem to work so hard at making sure all their products work well for people various levels of vision problems I have to believe they would've done something. After all even the Apple TV has support for people with total vision loss. I don't see why they'd break their flagship product.
- jareds 9y agoIf it's true that touch id was expected to ship until a couple months ago they may not have found an alternative. If they are expecting touch id to be in next years model I could see them not making face unlock accessible since you can still get new iPhones with touch id. Remember Apple did not make the iPhone accessible until the 3gs, so there's no guarantee that new features will be accessible.
- avn2109 9y agoAlso, what happens when I shave my big beard off? :( Or grow it bushier?
- dewey 9y agoThey had that as a test case in the video and said that the phone will learn that.
- theshrike79 9y agoAs long as you keep unlocking your phone while your beard grows, it'll learn your new face.
- avn2109 9y agoFine, but how can it possibly learn while I shave the beard off?
- theshrike79 9y agoI think it depends on the amount of beard you shave off. Worst case is that you have to use the passcode and it'll relearn your beardless face.