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You can't afford a Tesla, but can afford a Mercedes Benz and considered a BMW? - huh.

by josefresco 9y ago

robterrell 9y ago
MB B250e lease is around $400/mo. BMW i3 lease is under $300 right now. Tesla lease starts at $1,000.
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  Knock about $200 a month off the Tesla lease for TCO based on Delta between electricity cost in petroleum fuel cost. Edit: i'm wrong. See below. Edit 2: In quite a few places, you can get time of day metering, where you pay lower rates for electricity at night. In Chicago, I pay $0.01/kwh between midnight and 5am; its essentially free to charge my Model S (it's slightly more at my place in Tampa, ~$0.06/kwh at all hours).
  - italophil 9y ago
    Both the B250e and i3 are electric as well. The B250e actually uses a motor from Tesla.
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      My mistake! Thanks for correcting me.
  - fps 9y ago
    The national average cost for gas is $2.67/gallon, Electricity $0.12/kwh. Based entirely on fuel costs, the Model S 85 costs $0.04/mile and the 20 mpg BMW M4 costs $0.13/mile. In order to save $200/month on fuel with the tesla, you'd have to drive 2200 miles a month. In the area I live, where gas is cheaper than average and electricity is almost twice as expensive, that number is 5000 miles/month.
    - adventured 9y ago
      That gas price should be closer to $3.16 at the moment. If we're talking about the luxury car market, it's far more likely the vehicle is going to be consuming premium gasoline.
nilkn 9y ago
It's the same as the difference between a Model S and a Model 3. Both Mercedes and BMW offer cars starting at the $35k mark (C class, 3 series). Given how anticipated the Model 3 is, evidently there are quite a lot of people who feel okay with a $35k starting price, but not with a $70k starting price.
funnelsgun 9y ago
Tesla are much more expensive in Europe. In fact, I could have an BMW M4 and a Golf R for the price of a mid-range Model S with some options - I know which two cars I'd rather have...
- chadgeidel 9y ago
  An M4 is price equivalent to a Golf R in Europe? Wow - quite a different story here in the US.
  - bdibs 9y ago
    I think he meant he could buy both of those instead of the Tesla.
    - funnelsgun 9y ago
      Yep!
      - chadgeidel 9y ago
        facepalm I see now.

You can't afford a Tesla, but can afford a Mercedes Benz and considered a BMW? - huh.

robterrell 9y ago

MB B250e lease is around $400/mo. BMW i3 lease is under $300 right now. Tesla lease starts at $1,000.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
Knock about $200 a month off the Tesla lease for TCO based on Delta between electricity cost in petroleum fuel cost. Edit: i'm wrong. See below. Edit 2: In quite a few places, you can get time of day metering, where you pay lower rates for electricity at night. In Chicago, I pay $0.01/kwh between midnight and 5am; its essentially free to charge my Model S (it's slightly more at my place in Tampa, ~$0.06/kwh at all hours).
- italophil 9y ago
  Both the B250e and i3 are electric as well. The B250e actually uses a motor from Tesla.
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    My mistake! Thanks for correcting me.
- fps 9y ago
  The national average cost for gas is $2.67/gallon, Electricity $0.12/kwh. Based entirely on fuel costs, the Model S 85 costs $0.04/mile and the 20 mpg BMW M4 costs $0.13/mile. In order to save $200/month on fuel with the tesla, you'd have to drive 2200 miles a month. In the area I live, where gas is cheaper than average and electricity is almost twice as expensive, that number is 5000 miles/month.
  - adventured 9y ago
    That gas price should be closer to $3.16 at the moment. If we're talking about the luxury car market, it's far more likely the vehicle is going to be consuming premium gasoline.

nilkn 9y ago

It's the same as the difference between a Model S and a Model 3. Both Mercedes and BMW offer cars starting at the $35k mark (C class, 3 series). Given how anticipated the Model 3 is, evidently there are quite a lot of people who feel okay with a $35k starting price, but not with a $70k starting price.

funnelsgun 9y ago

Tesla are much more expensive in Europe. In fact, I could have an BMW M4 and a Golf R for the price of a mid-range Model S with some options - I know which two cars I'd rather have...

chadgeidel 9y ago
An M4 is price equivalent to a Golf R in Europe? Wow - quite a different story here in the US.
- bdibs 9y ago
  I think he meant he could buy both of those instead of the Tesla.
  - funnelsgun 9y ago
    Yep!
    - chadgeidel 9y ago
      facepalm I see now.