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It absolutely does meet those criteria and then some. They aren’t called Nazi’s because people disagree with them but because they are actual Nazis

na85 9y ago
Wouldn't "actual Nazis" be members of the German National Socialist Party? Pedantic, perhaps, but I think the proper term for these people is "racists" or "white supremacists" (edit: or even better, Neonazis) . I find the term "Nazi" to be overused in the modern discourse, often hyperbolic in nature, usually to refer to people who lean right of political centre. Not sure why down voters appear to disagree : I prefer to call a spade a spade.
- bhaak 9y ago
  Yes, you are right. Only those people that were actual members of the party were called "Nazis". Today in German, those that are still living are sometimes called "Altnazi", old nazi, to distinguish the racist people that follow their ideology but can't possibly have been alive at that time. The latter are more precisely called "Neonazi", but that is often shortened to just "Nazi".
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    Perhaps the parent is confused as I am: Do these Nazis want "German Socialism" to take over in USA, so be ruled from Germany? If not then I think calling them Nazis definitely needs clarification. Genuine confusion for me. Nazi to me is someone who wants to resurrect Hitler and be ruled by the Fatherland; that seems incongruent with what I expect from USA white supremacist??
    - bhaak 9y ago
      "Nazi" derives from the word "National Socialism", it's not inherently German in that regard, they just invented it. The ideology isn't tied to one nation. You can read about nazism in the US here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States
      - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        >The ideology isn't tied to one nation. // In Mein Kampf doesn't Hitler specifically link Aryanism and his anti-Jewish position to Germany's history and geography. If you take the same ideas and plant them in USA you'd get something like Native [North] American master race with Mexican hate, wouldn't you? Backing the Aryanism and adding holocaust denial and such seems to make it very much supporting Hitler's "German" Nazism; it seems inextricably linked with the concept of the Aryan master race which is based on a German [psuedo] history? I'm probably expecting too much rationale and logical consistency.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    I think they tend to refer to themselves as White Nationalists. For what it's worth, the Congolese government calls themselves democratic. So, make of it what you will.
- abritinthebay 9y ago
  Depends on if you care about the semantic difference between Neo-Nazi and Nazi. Outside of historical discussions: I do not. > Wouldn't "actual Nazis" be members of the German National Socialist Party? No more so than to be a libertarian you need to be a member of the Libertarian Party. Or that said National Socialists were socialists. Post-WW2 the term "Nazi" has been widely recognized to refer to a grouping of people that idolize or share the ideology of the Nazi regime and it's descendant movements.
cpursley 9y ago
> because they are actual Nazis I'm not defending these people, but are they really Nazis? Or just angry, uneducated and disenfranchised white people?
- Latty 9y ago
  Why not both? Most people vulnerable enough to eat up the Nazi ideology are probably in a bad place. Case in point, post-WW1 Germany.
- MichaelGG 9y ago
  No they are not Nazis anymore than I'm a Freemason because I say I am and hang some of their symbols up. Even less so, because Freemasons as a group are still active, the NSDAP is defunct. It's just that saying "literal fucking nazis" sounds so much more dramatic than "Neo Nazis" or " fucktards pretending to be nazis".
- rjsw 9y ago
  A publication that chooses the name The DailyStormer clearly wants people to think that it is by and for Nazis. We executed the publisher of the newspaper whose name it echoes [1] after the Nuremberg trials. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer
- abritinthebay 9y ago
  Why not both? If you support modern nazi talking points, causes, rhetoric, actions, or regularly give them money (via page views, donation, or merch) then you're almost certainly a nazi. Doesn't matter if someone is white, poor, rich, disenfranchised, privileged, whatever. Note - I am not making a distinction between historical nazism and neo-nazis because we're talking about the present day not WW2. Modern Nazi's are the Daily Stormer and their ilk.
interstitial 9y ago
I agree all avowed socialist (like Nazis) should be banned from the internet. We've got our work cut out.

na85 9y ago

Wouldn't "actual Nazis" be members of the German National Socialist Party? Pedantic, perhaps, but I think the proper term for these people is "racists" or "white supremacists" (edit: or even better, Neonazis) . I find the term "Nazi" to be overused in the modern discourse, often hyperbolic in nature, usually to refer to people who lean right of political centre. Not sure why down voters appear to disagree : I prefer to call a spade a spade.

bhaak 9y ago
Yes, you are right. Only those people that were actual members of the party were called "Nazis". Today in German, those that are still living are sometimes called "Altnazi", old nazi, to distinguish the racist people that follow their ideology but can't possibly have been alive at that time. The latter are more precisely called "Neonazi", but that is often shortened to just "Nazi".
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  Perhaps the parent is confused as I am: Do these Nazis want "German Socialism" to take over in USA, so be ruled from Germany? If not then I think calling them Nazis definitely needs clarification. Genuine confusion for me. Nazi to me is someone who wants to resurrect Hitler and be ruled by the Fatherland; that seems incongruent with what I expect from USA white supremacist??
  - bhaak 9y ago
    "Nazi" derives from the word "National Socialism", it's not inherently German in that regard, they just invented it. The ideology isn't tied to one nation. You can read about nazism in the US here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States
    - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
      >The ideology isn't tied to one nation. // In Mein Kampf doesn't Hitler specifically link Aryanism and his anti-Jewish position to Germany's history and geography. If you take the same ideas and plant them in USA you'd get something like Native [North] American master race with Mexican hate, wouldn't you? Backing the Aryanism and adding holocaust denial and such seems to make it very much supporting Hitler's "German" Nazism; it seems inextricably linked with the concept of the Aryan master race which is based on a German [psuedo] history? I'm probably expecting too much rationale and logical consistency.
- KGIII 9y ago
  I think they tend to refer to themselves as White Nationalists. For what it's worth, the Congolese government calls themselves democratic. So, make of it what you will.
abritinthebay 9y ago
Depends on if you care about the semantic difference between Neo-Nazi and Nazi. Outside of historical discussions: I do not. > Wouldn't "actual Nazis" be members of the German National Socialist Party? No more so than to be a libertarian you need to be a member of the Libertarian Party. Or that said National Socialists were socialists. Post-WW2 the term "Nazi" has been widely recognized to refer to a grouping of people that idolize or share the ideology of the Nazi regime and it's descendant movements.

cpursley 9y ago

> because they are actual Nazis I'm not defending these people, but are they really Nazis? Or just angry, uneducated and disenfranchised white people?

Latty 9y ago
Why not both? Most people vulnerable enough to eat up the Nazi ideology are probably in a bad place. Case in point, post-WW1 Germany.
MichaelGG 9y ago
No they are not Nazis anymore than I'm a Freemason because I say I am and hang some of their symbols up. Even less so, because Freemasons as a group are still active, the NSDAP is defunct. It's just that saying "literal fucking nazis" sounds so much more dramatic than "Neo Nazis" or " fucktards pretending to be nazis".
rjsw 9y ago
A publication that chooses the name The DailyStormer clearly wants people to think that it is by and for Nazis. We executed the publisher of the newspaper whose name it echoes [1] after the Nuremberg trials. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer
abritinthebay 9y ago
Why not both? If you support modern nazi talking points, causes, rhetoric, actions, or regularly give them money (via page views, donation, or merch) then you're almost certainly a nazi. Doesn't matter if someone is white, poor, rich, disenfranchised, privileged, whatever. Note - I am not making a distinction between historical nazism and neo-nazis because we're talking about the present day not WW2. Modern Nazi's are the Daily Stormer and their ilk.

interstitial 9y ago

I agree all avowed socialist (like Nazis) should be banned from the internet. We've got our work cut out.