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My point was that the statement "C++ still produces the fastest and most memory efficient programs." is basically meaningless without any context. There are a

by nocman 9y ago

My point was that the statement "C++ still produces the fastest and most memory efficient programs." is basically meaningless without any context. There are a fair number of situations where other languages can beat C++ in either or both of those metrics. "C++ can produce very fast and memory efficient programs." would have been fine -- or some variant that compared it to specific languages, such as you do above. I don't think it's being pedantic at all to ask what the OP meant. It was a vague statement that (depending on what they meant) is either true or false.

corysama 9y ago
Then you have a much higher bar for pedantry than I do. I get annoyed when someone makes a brief, general statement and gets called out for not carefully softening it to near pointlessness. In general conversation, I'd prefer it if people assumed most statements were generalizations that are statistically significant and not proof assertions that are either True or False. Otherwise, discussion becomes extremely watered down with every statement swamped in disclaimers, softeners, exceptions and alternatives. Err... I meant "most statements except in specific situations where you are..." :P
- nocman 9y ago
  I get where you are coming from, and I also think there is a line where it seems you can't say anything without having to qualify it so much that it becomes annoying. It was not clear to me whether gcp's statement was supposed to be limited to a comparison between C++ and Java/dotnet/python (and I addressed that in the post that you responded to). I felt it was worth the qualification for the sake of discussion, and I still don't think it was being pedantic to ask (especially since I addressed the possibility of it being the above comparison). I wasn't just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. And my question was a far cry from asking him to "defend a mathematical thesis", IMHO.
gcp 9y ago
Given an experienced programmer in all those languages that OP mentioned, I would expect the C++ version to perform faster. I didn't put much qualification because I don't think it needed it. Remember that the original question was: ...moved to Java/dotnet/python platforms...Is there a reason to use C++ any more?
- nocman 9y ago
  "remember that the original question was: ...moved to Java/dotnet/python platforms...Is there a reason to use C++ any more?" ^ Yeah, and I specifically addressed that possibility in my original response to you. I was just trying to clarify whether you were referring to that comparison, or a comparison of C++ vs all other languages. It was not clear to me which you meant. Perhaps it was just the way I read it at the time.

by nocman 9y ago

corysama 9y ago

Then you have a much higher bar for pedantry than I do. I get annoyed when someone makes a brief, general statement and gets called out for not carefully softening it to near pointlessness. In general conversation, I'd prefer it if people assumed most statements were generalizations that are statistically significant and not proof assertions that are either True or False. Otherwise, discussion becomes extremely watered down with every statement swamped in disclaimers, softeners, exceptions and alternatives. Err... I meant "most statements except in specific situations where you are..." :P

nocman 9y ago
I get where you are coming from, and I also think there is a line where it seems you can't say anything without having to qualify it so much that it becomes annoying. It was not clear to me whether gcp's statement was supposed to be limited to a comparison between C++ and Java/dotnet/python (and I addressed that in the post that you responded to). I felt it was worth the qualification for the sake of discussion, and I still don't think it was being pedantic to ask (especially since I addressed the possibility of it being the above comparison). I wasn't just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. And my question was a far cry from asking him to "defend a mathematical thesis", IMHO.

gcp 9y ago

Given an experienced programmer in all those languages that OP mentioned, I would expect the C++ version to perform faster. I didn't put much qualification because I don't think it needed it. Remember that the original question was: ...moved to Java/dotnet/python platforms...Is there a reason to use C++ any more?

nocman 9y ago
"remember that the original question was: ...moved to Java/dotnet/python platforms...Is there a reason to use C++ any more?" ^ Yeah, and I specifically addressed that possibility in my original response to you. I was just trying to clarify whether you were referring to that comparison, or a comparison of C++ vs all other languages. It was not clear to me which you meant. Perhaps it was just the way I read it at the time.