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I have an uncle who owns a factory in Northeast Ohio. I saw him over the summer and this is easily the number one issue affecting his day to day operations. He

by jefe_ 9y ago

I have an uncle who owns a factory in Northeast Ohio. I saw him over the summer and this is easily the number one issue affecting his day to day operations. He showed me a few security camera videos of people coming to work high and literally going crazy, and then a video of someone who had arrived for a job interview, but just sat in the lobby dazed and unresponsive to commands to leave. The videos were shocking, people were like zombies. He can't find people to hire, and he can't keep the people he has, if they don't overdose at work, they overdose at home. I knew it was an issue, but didn't know it was the main issue facing American industry.

rjbwork 9y ago
Do you know how much he is offering to pay entry-level employees?
- jefe_ 9y ago
  I do not unfortunately. I do think based on what he was describing he would have enough incentive to pay more if that were feasible and resulted in talent that prevented these issues.
  - jdc 9y ago
    Has he considered offering relocation?
    - lotsofpulp 9y ago
      Maybe by the time an employer offered enough compensation to create an incentive to move to northeast Ohio, the cost of the good might be so high that it would just be worth it to manufacture in China.
      - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
        Then perhaps we should do something about that economic loophole. If our country's employers can't provide a good, rising quality of life to its workers, then something needs to change.
drzaiusapelord 9y ago
Yet somehow Jeff Sessions can't stop talking about "urban pot epidemic" and how pot, including medical pot, needs to be cracked down upon. Meanwhile opioids and meth are completely out of control, but because they are largely white rural/suburban drug users, they have been getting a free pass for decades.
- jrs95 9y ago
  They haven't been getting a pass, criminalization is just totally ineffective at dealing with the problem. As far as disproportionate enforcement goes, rural and suburban Americans haven't been murdering anyone at nearly the rate of inner city gangs, which is a big part of why there's more enforcement in urban areas.
  - drzaiusapelord 9y ago
    Criminalization is not what I'm advocating. If Sessions and Trump are fighting the legalization of medicinal cannibis what exactly do you think are the chances of decrim or state funded medical treatment for opioid and meth addicts? >rural and suburban Americans haven't been murdering anyone Those drugs are brought into the US by very violent gangs and I certainly can grow pot peacefully in my home. Ignoring the trafficking of these drugs is morally inexcusable. How many of these addicts make their own opioids or meth? Meth linked crimes are a huge number and almost always violent. Opioid withdrawal brings in a great deal of crime too. Those rural towns that have fallen into opioid addiction are crime hellholes for this very reason. Heavy opioid use is linked to crime, unlike some drugs: >(2) heavy opioid users committed crimes significantly more frequently than did moderate opioid users, non-opioid polydrug users, cannabis users or alcohol users https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2790266 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2790266 Also: >Methamphetamine was the only drug use variable that was strongly correlated with homicide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936516 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936516 I'd much rather work with "urban pot" users than rural meth and opioid addicts, and so would you. Why the former is more under attack than the latter shows our systemic problems with race in this country. Remember sentiment like this is why pot is illegal, from Harry J. Anslinger, the founder of the war on drugs: “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.” “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
michaelmrose 9y ago
So since there are lots of non druggies out there virtually the entire population in fact I'm guessing employment at said factory is so crappy that the only people willing to hire on are junkies. This says more about the factory than the junkies. Figure out why nobody decent will work there.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  I feel like the vast majority of supposed "labor shortages" have a lot to do with only wanting to pay bottom-of-the-barrel wages.
pas 9y ago
Aren't there a lot of ex-prisoners that can't find jobs because employers are stubborn?

by jefe_ 9y ago

rjbwork 9y ago

Do you know how much he is offering to pay entry-level employees?

jefe_ 9y ago
I do not unfortunately. I do think based on what he was describing he would have enough incentive to pay more if that were feasible and resulted in talent that prevented these issues.
- jdc 9y ago
  Has he considered offering relocation?
  - lotsofpulp 9y ago
    Maybe by the time an employer offered enough compensation to create an incentive to move to northeast Ohio, the cost of the good might be so high that it would just be worth it to manufacture in China.
    - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
      Then perhaps we should do something about that economic loophole. If our country's employers can't provide a good, rising quality of life to its workers, then something needs to change.

drzaiusapelord 9y ago

Yet somehow Jeff Sessions can't stop talking about "urban pot epidemic" and how pot, including medical pot, needs to be cracked down upon. Meanwhile opioids and meth are completely out of control, but because they are largely white rural/suburban drug users, they have been getting a free pass for decades.

jrs95 9y ago
They haven't been getting a pass, criminalization is just totally ineffective at dealing with the problem. As far as disproportionate enforcement goes, rural and suburban Americans haven't been murdering anyone at nearly the rate of inner city gangs, which is a big part of why there's more enforcement in urban areas.
- drzaiusapelord 9y ago
  Criminalization is not what I'm advocating. If Sessions and Trump are fighting the legalization of medicinal cannibis what exactly do you think are the chances of decrim or state funded medical treatment for opioid and meth addicts? >rural and suburban Americans haven't been murdering anyone Those drugs are brought into the US by very violent gangs and I certainly can grow pot peacefully in my home. Ignoring the trafficking of these drugs is morally inexcusable. How many of these addicts make their own opioids or meth? Meth linked crimes are a huge number and almost always violent. Opioid withdrawal brings in a great deal of crime too. Those rural towns that have fallen into opioid addiction are crime hellholes for this very reason. Heavy opioid use is linked to crime, unlike some drugs: >(2) heavy opioid users committed crimes significantly more frequently than did moderate opioid users, non-opioid polydrug users, cannabis users or alcohol users https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2790266 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2790266 Also: >Methamphetamine was the only drug use variable that was strongly correlated with homicide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936516 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936516 I'd much rather work with "urban pot" users than rural meth and opioid addicts, and so would you. Why the former is more under attack than the latter shows our systemic problems with race in this country. Remember sentiment like this is why pot is illegal, from Harry J. Anslinger, the founder of the war on drugs: “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.” “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

michaelmrose 9y ago

So since there are lots of non druggies out there virtually the entire population in fact I'm guessing employment at said factory is so crappy that the only people willing to hire on are junkies. This says more about the factory than the junkies. Figure out why nobody decent will work there.

emodendroket 9y ago
I feel like the vast majority of supposed "labor shortages" have a lot to do with only wanting to pay bottom-of-the-barrel wages.

pas 9y ago

Aren't there a lot of ex-prisoners that can't find jobs because employers are stubborn?